no, it's a terrible idea says economist ed stringam. so elizabeth. you got to convince me. good idea? people waste the money and the government will say you have to spend more. >> i don't know they agree exactly with the plan that they have. they are all different versions, milton friedman proposed a version of this. it's not an anti-libertarian position, per se. >> and my hero wrote a plan to replace welfare state gives everyone 10,000 bucks. >> the welfare system is so huge, so inefficient, it has the different rules and application requirement, all the agencies administering it and pay the federal salaries and pensions, kind of wipe all that out and combine everything and it will be much more effective and less expensive. >> the way through poverty is not through handouts but markets. look at societies that have more markets and less interference with our lives, hong kong, singapore, united states. john: we all agree on that, and i'll go into it more later in the program. what about the helpless people? give them money and simplify it. >> think about the best way of help