we all are standing for nixon. >> nixon persuading strom thurmond, he's the best candidate who can winnt with our hearts in '64 with goldwater, he took us down to a horrible defeat, so let's go with a moderate now and once we get in, i can slow down the federal government's efforts at desegregating schools in the south, but the number one reason was it looked like nixon could win. >> a candidate needs 667 delegates to win the nomination, but with nixon's estimated total at above 600 now, that air of victory is obvious. >> governor, may we ask you what you might have done differently thinking back now? >> nothing. there isn't anything i could have done differently. >> it was a weary governor rockefeller who hotel hopped from one delegation caucus to another. wife, happy, appeared anything but happy as her husband began to show the strain and perhaps the humility of it. >> with the demise of nelson rockefeller and exclusion of the moderate liberal side of the republican party, you began to see the reshaping of the republican party. >> we're having here in miami beach the convention of th

and at the end of the day, the seat that was occupied by strom thurmond, by ben tillman, by john c. calhoun, we're going to take this seat back for the people of south carolina because lindsey doesn't deserve to sit in it. >> you mentioned strom thurmond. before lindsey graham held this senate seat, it was occupied by strom thurmond who was a noted segregationist. in graham's statement on thurmond's passing in 2003, this is 2003, this is not the '60s, he called him, quote, south carolina's favorite son and claimed that south carolinians of all backgrounds new thurmond was on their side. what would it mean for you to win this seat in particular against someone that praised a known and avid segregationist who split with the party because of the question of race? he's praising him, saying all south carolinians felt this way. and he's running at this time when there seems to be more acknowledgement of the need for races to deal with a new level of justice and diversity than we've seen whites and blacks in south carolina and around the country. >> rev, we know here in south carolina just

wallace was very much in the strom thurmond tradition. you can do the same sort of thing with strom thurmond's 1948 states' rights campaign when he ran in that four-way race in 1948. go back to the woodrow wilson era, the eugenics era, which t.r. was a student and an advocate. go back to reconstruction. go back to the civil war. go back to the antebellum order where we made fundamental white supremacist decisions about how we were going to organize the republic. i'm a white southern episcopalian. i'm sitting in the state of tennessee. things tend to work out for people who look like me. america is at her best when we, all of us, do what we can to actually live up to the implications of what jefferson wrote in that sentence in the summer of 1776. so trump is top of mind. he wants to be top of mind. i think every previous american president might have killed for his cultural mind share. but remember, even if he is defeated, the forces that elected him and the forces that gave george wallace, whom you just showed -- wallace got 13.5% of the

i'm not calling on a statue of strom thurmond to come down. d want it to be historically accurate. thurmond had a black child. we literally had to go on that statue and strike out four and put five children and add the name of his black child on there so all five were there. and so, that is the type of historical context that we have to make sure that people understand. george washington was a slave owner. put that on the side of the statue so that when people go and watch and see and want to understand who george washington is, they get the full picture of what our country once was. >> how about that, rick? >> yeah. look, i think you have to look at the context of what george washington was to this country. this country wouldn't exist without george washington. so, to say that the only way you put context to something is to point out every fault that this person had. look, i'm not suggesting it wasn't a serious fault. but in the context of the time, what you saw is a man who did extraordinary things. there's probably no greater american. at th

joe biden is the one who eulogized strom thurmond, who gave 24 straight hours of a segregationist speech. the democrat party has been the party, historically, tied to systemic racism. if you are offended by the confederate flag, you cannot support the democratic party, because the democrat party was the party that the flag was protected by. so, mr. shines, keep working hard and doing what you are doing. i do not agree with some of the things you are saying, but i do agree with the idea of black independence and black voting independent, because for 80 years, since 1936, we have voted for the democrat party, and we are still talking about, "we shall overcome." so for the future callers coming in, you should catch yourself before you attack mr. shines, because you vote for a party that has failed, failed, failed the black man over and over again. take care. host: frank from lynchburg, thank you. bishop shines, your reaction. guest: i think that that gentleman just displayed what we are trying to help individuals consider, and that is, listen, let's have discourse. let's use diplomacy. the

leader, t republicnt lott of mississippi, after lott had praised south carolina segregationist strom thurmondngressn lewis told me, "it's very much in keeping with the philosophy and the discipline of nonviolence to forgive people." he defined what it meant to be courageous, and was truly one of the greatest people i've ever known i'm judy woodruff. join us on-line and again here tomorrow evening. for all of us at the pbs safe, and see you soon.ease stay >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: >> since our beginning, our anbusiness has been people their financial wellbeing. that mission gives us purpose, and a way forward. today, and always. >> consumer cellular. >> the kendeda fund. committed to advancing restative justice and meaningful work through ivinvestments in transform leaders and ideas. more at kendedafund.org. >> and by the alfred p. sloan foundation. >> supported by the john d. and foundation.. macarthur committed to building a more just, verdant and peaceful world. more information at macfound.org >>nd with the ongoing support of these institutions t s program

i'm sure that in 1964, when the republicans or soon to be republican strom thurmond came out and left the democratic party because of the civil rights act of 1964, my parents, both republicans, did not vote for goldwater that year. they voted for the democrat, lyndon johnson, and i suspected they voted that way because they believe in their own civil rights. they believe in voting rights. they believe in fair housing. they believe in taking care of people in the golden years with mediciare, which democrats propose. they believe in taking care of low income people with medicaid. they believe in educating young children with the elementary education act. they believe in the higher education act. they believe in protecting this environment, all of which were a part of lyndon johnson's program and by the way, they all still exist today. so these people who said democrats are sitting here doing nothing, i ask her to review that for me and i hope that she's of income high enough that her children and grandchildren would not need the elementary and secondary education act or the higher educa

way to go or should we have fought to force all of these bigoted white southern rednecks, the strom thurmond's of the world, to actually make everything equal, would it have been better if they had done that and they were forced to spend millions and millions and then billions on creating equality and eventually come to the conclusion themselves that they had to stop rather than fighting it out and winning it at the cost of, in cases like prince edward county, virginia, kids not being able to go to school at all? >> marshall was unflinching in support of what he did. he had a number of arguments in texas about that very thing where the texas legislature offered to create a separate black law school and to bring money into it and to really bump it up and what marshall suggested was that you still wouldn't get something that was of the same quality as what other people had. and his belief was that until you forced the students to be in the same places, you weren't going to get similar kinds of funding, similar kinds of resources to go to those schools. so even though you might get better schools

rights plank which would have cost truman his election to the presidency and win struck -- when strom thurmonded out. that same year, first of all the plank was adopted. in that same year, uncle hubert went to the united states senate in 1949, and he introduce civil rights legislation every single year until 1964, when he was the floor leader of the civil rights act and it got past. -- got passed. i wasn't sure i understood your own feelings about humor humphrey -- hubert humphrey because i don't, his own education in louisiana state university, where he's never understood institutionalized racism really and segregation, colored his whole political career. are you aware of his own background on civil rights and basic human right? dr. holloway: his background is amazing. is is a part i'm sorry do not, clearly enough. this is the part that had my father vexed. that someone with humphrey's track record could write this, becomes a very personal note that is saying all these wonderful things inez goat -- then goes sideways very quickly with the phrasing that sounding different, i'll semper fi thing

joe biden is the one who eulogized strom thurmond, who gave 24 straight hours of a segregationist speechdemocrat party has been the party, historically, tied to systemic racism. if you are offended by the confederate flag, you cannot support the democratic party, because the democrat party was the party that the flag was protected by. so, mr. shines, keep working hard and doing what you are doing. i do not agree with some of the things you are saying, but i do agree with the idea of black independence and black voting independent, because for 80 years, since 1936, we have voted for the democrat party, and we are still talking about, "we shall overcome." so for the future callers coming in, you should catch yourself before you attack mr. shines, because you vote for a party that has failed, failed, failed the black man over and over again. take care. host: frank from lynchburg, thank you. bishop shines, your reaction. guest: i think that that gentleman just displayed what we are trying to help individuals consider, and that is, listen, let's have discourse. let's use diplomacy. the very s

head and there was this discussion because of my involvement and that he was gay and people like strom thurmond, maybe talmage of georgia or east mississippi would use that against the march on washington so we had a caucus. doctor king, james farmerand myself . and we said we would select asa randolph as the chair for the march on washington and let mister randolph select his deputy. and that's exactly what he did cause we knew bayard rustin was so close that mister randolph would turn to him as a black leader for what he did. no one but no one was going to question asa lorenzo. >> welcome to index for october 2013. this monthwe're talking with congressman john lewis, democrat of georgia and the author of three books walking with the wind and the more of the movements was his first . the second came out in 2012 cross that bridge . and finally this past year march book 1. it was released as the first in a series. even if you like to participate, we will show you how. here are the numbers, 202 855880 585381 for those of you in the mountain and pacific time zones. you can send it to an email or p

that's more strom thurmond than it is leading into the future.h carolina doing with the coronavirus? obviously donald trump yanked the republican national convention out of your state. now he's trying to have it in florida. he may not be able to have it there either. but how is north carolina doing in the fight against the coronavirus? and what do you tell voters when they ask you whether kids should be able to go back to school this fall in your district? >> yeah, i think governor cooper is getting good marks for being prudent and reasonable. he caught some flack from folks for the convention moving out. our numbers here continue to go up, not down. and i think folks here are all for reopening schools, but as soon as it's prudent and safe to do it. so this area in particular, western north carolina, we're heavily dependent on tourism. it's had a huge impact on our economy. we can help folks restore their livelihood. we can't help them restore their lives. it's having a big impact on campaigning. my opponent, he was at trump hotel the other night

senator wasn't former back then, but strom thurmond, who ran as a democratic candidate received 39 electoralotes. wallace968, george received 46 electoral votes. in addition to receiving popular votes, they also received electoral votes, which shows that a third-party candidate can get into the running for president of the united states. now, what are we looking at when people talk about where they are aligned in the united states? this is coming from gallup. this is the most recent information gallup has four americans right now. the may 28-june 4 period, 25% of americans when asked do you consider yourself a crack, republican, or independent? 25% say they are republicans. or the percent say they are independents. and 31% say they are democrats. so, according to this more americans identify themselves as independents and either democrats or republicans, which may show something for independent and third-party candidates. let's go back to our phone lines. we are asking you, is the two-party system working? we will go to tom, was calling from winterhaven, florida. good morning. caller: good m

strom thurman. republican senator from south carolina, former democrat, and presidential candidate the in 1964. he was a demagogue. he understood how to prosper in politics, he was a sharp opponent of civil rights. and in thurmond mind, the question that were coming from fortas and mcclelland and east lint, were two legal acidic. they weren't going to attract the attention of the public. and make them a post for. this he goes over for this is judicial record, which is not particularly robust. he has only been on the court for three years. but what thurmond noticed was that for this had frequently been in five for majorities, on paper, the decisive vote, on a series of decisions that that warren court had made over pornography issues. where the courts had struck down state laws restricting the sale or dissemination of foreign pornography on the grounds of this violating the first amendment. and thurmond sensed that this might be a vulnerability, to portray fortas as a pro pornography justice. someone who is outside of the ideological mainstream. he welcomes as a witness and as a member of the minority, they get to invite a handful of witnesses. this man, james clancy. who is key head of citizens for decent liter