most of what -- most of what they produce is turned into dune strome products. windmills. washing machines, auto part, aircraft parts. these are things they're now exporting to the rest nofe world. with dumped and subsidized steel. they understand it's strategic it's what they use to conquer world markets, not just in these market bus in all kinds of high- val-added strail markets. that's -- high-value-added industrial markets. >> so if folks are living in a community where over the past 15, 15 years they have seen job loss -- the past 10, 15 years they have seen job losses in washing machine parts, aerospace and other industries, that's potentially related to chinese overcapacity in steel even though they may not know that's one of the sources of the problem? >> absolutely. china is the largest exporter of manufactured products in the world and the source of half our trade deficit in manufactured goods and many of the parts they export go to other countries. they're coming to us in the form of imported cars from korea and japan. china has a very -- >> find all of this eve