strongly if you educate your children, that is an effort and the way you build up and make a strong gray america. with reference to civil rights, you have to go beyond that. if you look of my record in the congress, we both have extremely strong civil rights records. this administration does not. on the bob jones case, they came in on the side of discrimination against women, the handicapped, and the elderly. in the congress we just passed overwhelmingly the civil rights bill of 1984. the senate killed it in the last week or two in congress. there is a real difference between how the mondale administration will address of our rights and the failure of this administration, particularly in that area. >> what steps do you think government can take to expand representation of minorities and women in the workforce, colleges, and universities? >> i do not support the use of quotas, we feel very strongly about affirmative action to correct inequities. we believe steps should be taken. that is both through government and small business administration. we have supported minorities and women's business. t