judy: stu stevens, do you see that as the way through this?t: yes, well, i think that's a, i think that's a fantasy. you can't negotiate with evil. how do you negotiate with the person who is in the capitol of the united states in a camp auschwitz sweatshirt? you don't want to meet those people halfway you don't need to understand them. they're wrong. people who believe in democracy are right. the solution to this is pretty straightforward. you have to beat these republicans. you have to have more days like january 5 last year, where you elect democrats in georgia, because the democratic party, which i spent 30 years pointing out flaws in, is the party that represents democracy in america now. and we have to just accept that and put these other differences aside. judy: well, it is a conversation we need to continue to have as the american people. and i want to thank all four of you for being part of this conversation today. stu stevens, gary abernathy, jelani cobb, george packer, thank you so much. ♪ stephanie: i have the latest headlines. cov