. >> stuart butler and i will be publishing a paper shortly and tries to think how you get a compromise on this, not that it would be treated as standard pending but would go unchecked now. you have to look at the budget, take an affirmative vote and go back. congress would own this trajectory. and on this we would also include tax expenditures. i'm not sure we have all the details figured out, but it's one of those ideas that it others cake up to deal with that pejorative on testify country. yes, right there. >> my name is sister michelle. there's one big looming thick we don't acknowledge there's a whole group of people who need we need a smat err government. this group loves it when the government says they're not going to take a new tax wage. we know it's critical to people in our nation. i want to say it graefs grafrls me kratsy. even when i look at people who voted for our protect ee lejz. i think a lot of people voted against them and get right into that small edge nine. we do some thing that he couldn't -- >> question for the panel? >> i would preak yatny kminlt on fake farr. >>

. >> 's stuart butler and i will publish a paper shortly to try to think how you get a compromise on this which not that mandatory spending would be treated as discretionary, but also would not go unchecked as it does now unless there is effort to do something where you would have to consider the budget, look at the long-term budget, take affirmative vote to approve or things are and go back and check. so, congress would own at least but trajectory instead of it having a go and we would include tax expenditures any exemptions and exclusions, those that are about a trillion dollars worth of lost revenue. so, not sure we have the details figured out, but it's one of those ideas that builds off the project on here were a number of people came up with this idea to take more ownership of that portion of the budget. is there another question? yes, right there. >> my name's sister rachelle friedman and i work for the coalition on human needs and i feel like whenever we talk about budget there is one big looming thing we don't acknowledge. there is a lots of very well-funded big efforts in t