stuart denman there.n us on the programme tonight but no minister was available. in a statement, the department said universal credit lay at the heart of the government's commitment to help people improve their lives and raise their incomes. they said the vast majority of claimants are paid in full and on time and that support is available for anyone who needs extra help. well, rachel, ian and simon are still here. rachel, it is fair to say that the government and the opposition believe universal credit is the right thing and is here to stay? i think universal credit should be stopped until we get rid of this government, frankly. they cannot handle it. they are still defending universal credit despite the fact that everyone who has anything to do with it, claimants, local authorities, food banks, the church, says it is plunging people into poverty and debt. if you talk to jeremy corbyn and john mcdonnell, they think the principle is right to incentivise people so the phillip hammond does something in the