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and stuart stevens, a veteran of the mitt romney and george w. bush presidential campaigns. he's now with the lincoln project. congressman, what is your reaction to today's news? >> well, actually, where you left off in the last segment was the thing i was thinking about all day. to the extent that i noticed, out here in the world in pennsylvania that people were giving trump a pass. it was on this argument that while they all do it. biden, pence, and everybody had classified information at their house. and i think the allegation that trump himself was telling his staff members to lead surveillance footage, pretty much demolishes that one. because the biden team obviously through opened the doors for the fbi and pence pretty much did as well. that's what an innocent person does. they let the fbi come and take back the documents, a guilty person tries to destroy the evidence. >> well then, let's remind our audience of some of the things donald trump once said about hillary clinton and a server. watch this. >> we no now, with almost 100% confidence that it least five foreign i

and the state is trying to do the same with these changes. >> stuart stevens, back in the day when you were working on republican campaigns, i am old enough to remember republicans saying we need to find a way to attract more african americans to vote for us. it seems like that day is done. it does seem now that the party's purpose is to stuff black history into a tin can and send it to the bottom of the sea. what do you think is the motive for that? is that just to get more white voters? what do you think is the motive for doing that? >> i think it's fear. you know, the country is headed to become a minority majority country. all the stephen millers in the world isn't going to stop that. the republican party had two choices here. one, to change and do what was necessary to attract more non-white votes. or go down this path of trying to maximize white votes with this racism and xenophobia and fear while making it more difficult for those who are nonwhite, particularly at the lower economic end, to vote. and that's the tragic way that it went. i mean, in 1964, goldwater got 7% of the af

jason johnson and stuart stevens are here.on what tucker bill is saying but more importantly, what he is doing. when the 11th hour continues. >> tommy tuberville got a lot of attention this week for some comments he made about white nationalists. but we cannot just focus on what he is saying. we need to pay attention to what this lawmaker is doing. tuberville is blocking hundreds of military appointments and promotions, and trying to make it harder for service members to access abortions. today he blasted the republican calling the move totally irresponsible and saying it was jeopardizing u. s. security. back to with us to discuss, jason johnson, and morgan state university an msnbc political contributor, and stuart stevens is here, a veteran of the mitt romney and george w. bush presidential campaign with the lincoln project in his new book coming out this fall, the conspiracy to end america, five ways my old party is driving our democracy to autocracy. it comes out in just a couple of months. jason, to you first. tuberville.

. >> hold on right there, i want to take a quick break and ring you to stuart stevens, we will be right back after the break. we have breaking news out of pennsylvania right now. at least three people are dead after a massive thunderstorm caused severe thunder flooding in bucks county. for people ranging in age from nine months to 63 years old or missing and disaster declarations have been put in place for the area officials say that while they are still treating this as a rescue they are fairly certain that we are in recovery mode at this time. that is three people dead and four people missing we have an update scheduled for 11:30 am eastern and we will bring you that live here on velshi. we will be right back. l be right back. with chase freedom unlimited, you can cashback 3% on dining including take-out. cashback on flapjacks, baby backs, or the tacos at the taco shack. nah, i'm working on my six pack. well, good luck with that. earn big with chase freedom unlimited with no annual fee. how do you cashback? after advil. feeling better? on top of the worlddddd!!! before advil. advil ta

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joining me is maria teresa kumar, stuart stevens, senior adviser for the lincoln project, and robert jones, president of the public religion institute and author of the upcoming book, the hidden roots of white supremacy. i want to start with you because the thing i really can't understand, i do want to ask all of you about this, but i want to start with you because you're my numbers guy, is that abortion is not even a close call issue in terms of whether people think it should be legal or illegal. and that includes most american christians, right? i mean, talk me down on that if i'm wrong. i don't think there is a majority that's bigger than maybe 15% of people who want for instance a national abortion ban. >> joy, that's exactly right. you talk about reading the room. they might want to read some polls, both nationally and in iowa. again, 6 in 10 iowans support the legality of abortion. it's two-thirds of americans that support the legality of abortion. if you look at iowa, let's be clear, this is a near total ban on -- very few exceptions. we ask people even in iowa, we think of th

joining me now, eugene scott, senior politics reporter for axios and stuart stevens, senior adviser for the lincoln project, who was the chief strategist for mitt romney's 2012 presidential campaign. he's the author of the book, it was all a lie, how the republican party became donald trump. good morning, gentlemen, to both of you. thank you for being with us. eugene, let me start with you. today's republican party remains fractured. it is playing out in some very public ways already. kevin mccarthy has needed to walk a very fine lie, but six months in,, is he in better or worse standing than he was back in january in terms of being able to take some control of this bag of cats? >> well, that depends on which angle you look at it from. the reality is he wanted to be speaker, so he's still speaker, and he has not yet been impeached by his own caucus. [laughter] >> that's a low bar. >> it is an incredibly low bar, but the pc was hoping to enjoy, as leader of the house, he gets to enjoy and probably will not, and it's in part because of something i think a lot of people really do not under

that yesterday and stuart stevens on who said the people like, you and chris, christiane isa hutchinson, we're taking strong positions on this. it's morally correct, but would you stick with those stipulations if they don't allow you on the debate stage? >> look, my position is my position. yes, i am working in order to get the 40,000 donors, and making the case to 40,000 individual donors. hey, if you want to see someone on the stage who has experience in foreign policy, domestic policy, and technology, go to -- for america.com. give me at least $1 to get that on there. i'm not changing my opinion on the loyalty pledge. i cannot, i can't lie in order to get access to, a microphone. i can't do. it my issue is not with supporting the republican nominee. my issue is with supporting donald trump. donald trump is a proven loser. he hasn't won the elections as 2016. he lost the house in 2018. he lost the senate and the white house in 2020. he prevented the republicans from having the red wave in 2022. heck, he hasn't even agreed to sign the loyalty pledge either. you know, we all know, i've