everybody else was the lawsuits was the headline, the agenda was subhead.m right there. >> you know, people always ask, are these things scripted? does he plan it? are his aides in on that? no. when trump acts like trump, he puts his ai s his aides in these positions. very, very uncomfortable for the people that work for him. that's kind of the position you put yourself in when you work for a guy like that. >> i want to move to tim kaine. you spent a lot of time traveling the world. this tpp issue, nobody has ever truly believed -- if you covered hillary clinton long enough, nobody believed that her switch on this was anything other than political. did anything tim kaine said convince you otherwise? >> not in the least. if i were an oil company and i had a huge spill on the coast of california, i'm hiring her. i have never seen anybody able to talk her way out of a bad client. the real truth i think chuck, when be look back at this election, it will be the election that both parties blew up. donald trump blew up the republican party. bernie sanders kind of

everybody else was the lawsuits was the headline, the agenda was subhead. that's a problem right there. >> you know, people always ask, are these things scripted?

the subhead here is trump tax records revealed show he could have avoided paying tax records. is this a felony to publish without permission. should "new york times" have done it? >> let's read the story and what trump's lawyers said. we are still hours into researching this. initial read of the first amendment does show there is a total shield for journalists who publish documents that are legally obtained and that are a matter of public concern. i think the times was very careful to document how they obtained these documents, they didn't break any laws. >> somebody sent this to a reporter. so i'm not a legal expert, but it is unclear at this point and the lawyer didn't specify under what they would sue him for. >> there is the journalistic question and media going hay wire this morning. i don't see much debate. >> people were very excited about this and seem to think it is quite the scandal. i'm not sure that frenzy is matched by what we are learning which is he took a huge bet on investments and gambling and other related issues. like the way the headline was issued he coul

guest: one of the things i was struck by with this is the elementary aspect of as you put it in the subhead, ethics, economics and politics and this is from page 27. i was really interested by this. you said god worked six days and rested on the seventh. that presumes private property. you're not covered, that will presume the right to hold that maybe commented . the basis in judeo-christian religious tradition that permeates public policy from your perspective i find to be fascinating. you set on page 27, our founding was an important part in the history of faith. can you tell us more about why you see our founding as important in the history of faith? >> the one thing our founders did not see, they saw very clearly in the constitutional structure but you just got added. they could not see a day where the judeo christian tradition wasn't taken as a given. they were there right now, that's debatable so there's all this debate now on jefferson's wall of separation between art and state. we want that, the first amendment is about that, the tradition of church and state and the press and etc.,

there is one that stephen shattuck road about barry goldwater in which the sub had-- subhead of the bookis, free to miss his flight pan because goldwater was a pilot and he was his longtime campaign manager and congressmen-- father of commerce been john shadegg, so i kept bumping into mom's history when writing this book, but the previous when i wrote 10 years ago was about her life because it took place before i was either not on the planet or old enough to really understand what it meant, so i spent a lot of time with her since she passed away 97, through the process of writing. host: raising a child in washington with this media saturated town and all of that can be an interesting challenge in itself, but it's interesting to see how a kids response and i have learned that if a child was to be like his or her parent or was to be as far away from journalism as they can. how about you? guest: i was actually in both camps are part of the book in my story with her is that we had a rough relationship between about when i was 14 when my parents divorced and i went and lived with my dad till