sue gray. it tallies with the briefings — sue gray. it tallies with the briefings there _ sue gray.ray and every decision and ministerial decision has to go through— ministerial decision has to go through her, which downing street has denied. .. through her, which downing street has denied. . ., , , ., has denied. that does lend itself to it. i have never— has denied. that does lend itself to it. i have never known _ has denied. that does lend itself to it. i have never known there - has denied. that does lend itself to it. i have never known there to - has denied. that does lend itself to it. i have never known there to be i it. i have never known there to be an orthodox _ it. i have never known there to be an orthodox way _ it. i have never known there to be an orthodox way of _ it. i have never known there to be an orthodox way of appointing - it. i have never known there to be i an orthodox way of appointing junior ministers. _ an orthodox way of appointing junior ministers. i— an orthodox way of appointing junior ministers. i feel— an orthodox way of appointing junior ministers

sue gray was the chief of staff in westminster.seems to be some tension. i have heard that myself. so, what i think needs to happen... and look, it is normalfor cabinet members to disagree and have different opinions on strategy. that is politics. the dangerfor keir starmer is that that becomes dysfunctional. there are not clear lines of accountability and roles. it is in charge? getting those things bedded in will make things easier. they have only been in power for five weeks. easier. they have only been in power forfive weeks. some easier. they have only been in power for five weeks. some of that is still... it has been a period of high tension. toes get trodden on. it will be sorted out. and high tension. toes get trodden on. it will be sorted out.— it will be sorted out. and we only have a few _ it will be sorted out. and we only have a few seconds, _ it will be sorted out. and we only have a few seconds, but - it will be sorted out. and we only have a few seconds, but i - it will be sorted out. and we only have a few seconds,

sue gray, >> has sue gray? yes. sue gray, she's back. brought the labour government into disarray. sue gray disarray. it all rhymes. reports of power struggles in number 10 between the chief of staff and the prime minister's top advisors. >> your views on that welcome. weather wise, it's hotting up. met office has issued a thunderstorm warning as we are set to be hit by scorching 34 degree heatwave. >> it's not that hot . and a star >> it's not that hot. and a star studded closing ceremony at the olympics . say goodbye to paris olympics. say goodbye to paris and welcome los angeles as the host of the 2028 games. >> in the wake of misinformation onune >> in the wake of misinformation online after nationwide riots, we'll be asking should schools be educating children about fake news? >> well, now i mentioned it, but the olympic flame has been extinguished in paris. it's the 33rd olympics drew to a close last night. team gb's last two medals were won yesterday. brought the total to 65. so it's one more than tokyo. but the lowest gold count for 20 years. >> good morning. it's likely to

we were talking about sue gray and the male mogs have come zipping in.ost of your politics. however working from home is not setting the example you tried to impose quite rightly, on the civil service. and steve, i would otherwise be on holiday this week, so i'm actually setting the right example by working whilst on holiday. and phil says why defend sue gray and the lefties more generally? let them eat each other? that's a very robust view. phil. i like an element of robustness in the mail. mogs stealing from the poor to give to the rich in what has been dubbed as the robin hoodin has been dubbed as the robin hood in reverse policy, it has been revealed that over £3 million of british foreign aid has been used to fund projects in affluent regions abroad. this foreign aid has been used to finance chinese opera road schemes in malaysia and many other projects. around £200,000 was used to pay for the shanghai all female yue opera. between 2018 and 2022, shanghai has an average gdp per capita of £19,520, which is the same as waltham forest in london. these

we were talking about sue gray and the male mogs have come zipping in.ost of your politics. however working from home is not setting the example you tried to impose quite rightly, on the civil service. and steve, i would otherwise be on holiday this week, so i'm actually setting the right example by working whilst on holiday. and phil says why defend sue gray and the lefties more generally? let them eat each other? that's a very robust view. phil. i like an element of robustness in the mail. mogs stealing from the poor to give to the rich in what has been dubbed as the robin hoodin has been dubbed as the robin hood in reverse policy, it has been revealed that over £3 million of british foreign aid has been used to fund projects in affluent regions abroad. this foreign aid has been used to finance chinese opera road schemes in malaysia and many other projects. around £200,000 was used to pay for the shanghai all female yue opera. between 2018 and 2022, shanghai has an average gdp per capita of £19,520, which is the same as waltham forest in london. these

pm kept in dark by aide sue gray. starmer's chief of staff accused of thinking she runs britain as the mos told she's blocked top level briefings . this is a very briefings. this is a very interesting funny story because it basically what it boils down to is they people are worried within government that keir starmer is not getting essential. updates about the state of the country. and this is obviously very important, very prevalent considering the riots we've had in the last few days, she's essentially acting like a prefect or a teacher's pet, saying, no, no , tell me. pet, saying, no, no, tell me. and people are concerned saying, well, actually, is keir actually is he actually getting the important updates that he needs? >> so because i read it and i was thinking more like a doctor's receptionist, that vibe . doctor's receptionist, that vibe. >> right. yeah, yeah. >> right. yeah, yeah. >> bat away as many as possible about getting an appointment. >> forget about informing keir of what's going on with the country, b

i would, but my goodness, weeks and months of that sue gray report, >> sue gray of course, former chiefy years then very controversially moved over to be employed by the labour party after again leading the kind of inquiry against boris johnson. she's now chief of staff to keir starmer. and this story in the mail on sunday is about the kind of power struggle that she seems to be prosecuting in that particularjob. particular job. >> so chief particularjob. >> so chief kind of civil servants have complained about the fact that when they want to actually give keir starmer a security briefing about quite important things, she's blocking them from doing so. she's saying, you can tell me and i'll tell him, various other, top civil servants have complained of a similar problem. and also in the inside story, they kind of talk about this being also part of this power struggle between herself and morgan mcsweeney, who was like, kind of starmer's right hand man up until this point. so it's a big question about who really runs the country, who really is in control. we've always known that they've b

son sue gray. oh my gosh sue gray again really shocking. wow andrea. >> oh this is blimey.e is the one who, helped to bring boris down. and then, you know, several weeks later, she's getting a job working for the labour party. this she's the ethics adviser without any ethics adviser without any ethics . we've seen two tier ethics. we've seen two tier policing and two tier free speech, and now it's two tier ethics. >> but hang on, hang on. there's nothing illegal or against ethical rules to make a donation to an mp. >> no , but given the power sun, >> no, but given the power sun, give it. yes, exactly. >> it doesn't matter whether sue gray sun or not. >> it does. i think giving a pass as well. >> people give donations to mps all the time. virtually every tory mp has had donations from business people fine , but business people fine, but they're entitled to do that. >> but i didn't give him a parliamentary pass. when i've had money from you, i don't think i don't think the donor got a pass, did they? >> he got a pass to number 10. this is the media mogul, lord ali. yeah but t

sue gray versus keir starmer will bring you the details next.'s time to return to the liveliest pay per time to return to the liveliest pay per view show on telly, apart from the one in a little bit and more front pages have been delivered hot off the press. first of all, we're going to go to the daily telegraph. we have cooper uk has lost respect for police, so this is the idea that people are out rioting because they're not afraid of any consequences. what do you think about that? >> well, that's exactly why. why they made sure there were consequences and quick ones. i mean, the whole point of what keir starmer has done is to act like the prosecutor he was, as well as being the prime minister he is. and he knows as a prosecutor from 2011, when the last riots took place, that swift justice, lots of publicity. that is the way to stop people . so that's what stop people. so that's what yvette cooper is talking about here, that they are showing the rioters that there are consequences and they're swift and they're severe. >> but the police but but

there's sue gray, who of course is the chief of staff.eeney, who is there's morgan mcsweeney, who is the director of political strategy within downing street. and he was, of course , loyal to and he was, of course, loyal to keir and close to keir starmer ever since his leadership campaign going back to 2020. and he stayed with starmer right through to that election victory. and of course, starmer wanted to have a well—run, well—oiled machine within whitehall, and that's why he recruited sue gray. and of course, there was there were some there was a lot of criticism from the tories saying, hang on a moment. this was the woman brought to in investigate boris johnson, and then suddenly she's now going to go and work for keir starmer. so when that was announced, it caused a furore at the time. but the two there are factions and, and the one thing i'd say is it never ends well when you have factions in downing street, it's impossible that you ever end up in a situation where everybody holds hands and agrees to sing kumbaya together. it just do

and especially if you put sue gray in downing street, what would sue gray ethics queen have made of bungingld donors in when you're actually in government. when you say we're not making a judgment, we are allowed to say what perception looks like. and there's what the what it looks like is they've got an investigation coming. that's what it looks like. yes, and of course, i think they would say in response, apart from it being a diversion that they didn't particularly want to deal with, the real risk to them is not looking the same as the last lot. if you want to distinguish yourself and you want to sort of hold yourself up... look, tony blair did that in 1997, didn't he, when he first came in, and then he ran into the bernie ecclestone affair, if you remember, at the time, and that he sort of said i'm an ordinary kind of guy afterwards. "most people think i'm a pretty straight sort a2of guy," was the quote. well done you! and you weren't even there in '97. i was alive, i could read! paddy, on your point about keir starmer opening himself up to scrutiny and doing a press conference, taking

with sue gray because of her work on partygate.now keir starmer's chief of staff, but it seems as if she might be throwing her weight around. we've seen this before, james. what is it with people needing to be close to the prime minister apparently she's been moving morgan mcsweeney's desk around, so he's not close and she's close. everybody fighting for keir starmer's ear. it was ever thus. >> twas ever thus. and keir starmer came in his first speech out to number 10. we'll have a politics that treads a little less lightly on your life. i remain that remains to be seen, or shall we say, because i think, as ever, with downing street, there's all these rows going on and everyone's jockeying for influence right now. some of this twas ever thus. but the interesting thing with sue gray, of course, is that she was the ultimate machine career servant, civil servant. she knew the entirety of whitehall inside and out. and so it was a fascinating decision by keir starmer to take her into government. and the danger is, of course, according t

. >> has sue gray? yes. sue gray, she's back. brought the labour government into disarray. disarray. it all rhymes. reports of power struggles in number 10 between the chief of staff and the prime minister's top advisors. >> your views on that welcome. weather wise, it's hotting up. met office has issued a thunderstorm warning as we are set to be hit by scorching 34 degree heatwave. >> it's not that hot . and a star >> it's not that hot. and a star studded closing ceremony at the olympics . say goodbye to paris olympics. say goodbye to paris and welcome los angeles as the host of the 2028 games. >> in the wake of misinformation onune >> in the wake of misinformation online after nationwide riots, we'll be asking should schools be educating children about fake news? >> well, now i mentioned it, but the olympic flame has been extinguished in paris. it's the 33rd olympics drew to a close last night. team gb's last two medals were won yesterday. brought the total to 65. so it's one more than tokyo. but the lowest gold count for 20

sue gray hasn't spoken to the press in god knows how long. i mean, has she ever.she wields so much influence over our prime minister. >> i think it's insane. and on a serious note, i think it's raises serious questions about the state of our democracy. same in the united states. you know, donald trump's first term was, according to his own words , according to his own words, plagued by the deep state, by civil servants , by intelligence civil servants, by intelligence agencies who are blocking his agenda. >> well, supposedly one of the reasons why joe biden wasn't able wasn't the democratic party struggled to force joe biden out of the race was because the white house put a wall basically between anybody and the president, and it became very difficult for people like nancy pelosi or anybody else to actually even get a face to face meeting with joe biden up until the point that he went on national television and made a complete idiot. >> well, pelosi did a podcast last night or the night before i listened to it. she was openly sat there saying, yeah, i was i told j

now we have sir keir starmer and a leaked report said to be originated by sue gray, but no one knowsruth of that. appearing in the one knows the truth of that. appeédirecti the one knows the truth of that. appeédirecti tiyour smartphone, news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> good evening. it doesn't really matter who wins general elections anymore. they're pretty much the same. i mean, after all, rishi sunak wanted to make sure that in ten years time, 25 year olds could buy cigarettes legally in 24 year olds couldn't. that struck me as being fairly bonkers. now we have sir keir starmer and a leaked report said to be originated by sue gray, but no one knows the truth of that. appearing in the sun newspaper, this morning, suggesting there will be an outdoor smoking ban. yeah, that's right, you won't be able to smoke in pub gardens, outside pubs, outside sports venues. now of course, this all began really back in 2006 when the blair government banned indoor smoking, e

and it's interesting you bring up sue gray, right. because that is the department. yes.o it's the same it's the same thing. so she'll have access to privileged material. she'll know she'll have, you know, a real insight into into where the skeletons are. >> worked for a party affiliated. yeah. doing that job. yeah. >> it's unbelievable. >> it's unbelievable. >> and that's banana republic territory. you also have ian caulfield, who, according to the times, who's a banker who donated thousands to reeves personally to and labour time, say the treasury weren't even told of his donation. >> and he's now in the treasury as one of the most senior people. >> isn't even that big a donation to get such an important. >> what constitutes big? >> what constitutes big? >> well, thousands. >> well, thousands. >> but we also saw it. darren, all right. we're going to have to leave that one there, right. >> still to come tonight. renee picks up the realities of ed miliband's pet net zero agenda. i can't say pet any more. renee and what it really means for our energy bills. and andrew take

why he needed a party to do that is yet to be explained, and why sue gray was able to make such a seamlessupposedly impartial civil service and the highly politicised role she now occupies in number 10 is, i think, still a matter for some pubuc think, still a matter for some public investigation. >> and the pass at number 10 is quite interesting because if you're going in for a particular event, it's very straightforward to get in. your name is on the list. you show some photographic identity to the police on duty , identity to the police on duty, and you get let in a pass isn't essential if you're just doing one event there, but here's a parliamentarian. >> yeah, but parliamentarians don't automatically get passes to number 10. >> i only had a pass to number 10 when i was a minister. >> is this the most pressing issue i mean, this was on the front page of the newspapers this morning. >> yes, because it's sleaze at home. >> is it sleaze? it's not exactly matt hancock giving a multi—million pound contract in the past, is it? >> it'sjust the past, is it? >> it's just a the past, is it? >> it

and then another thing we're going to discuss is the extraordinary briefing against sue gray.ttom of this because bile is spewing against out of downing street, against the prime minister's chief of staff, jacob. >> that sounds great. up next, the state of the nation with jacob rees—mogg. but first, though the weather with aidan mcgivern . mcgivern. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news >> hi there, time for the latest forecast from the met office for gb news. an unsettled 36 to 48 hour period to come for many parts of the uk, a series of low pressure systems queuing up to arrive from the atlantic, one heading towards iceland, another one containing the remnants of ex—hurricane ernesto. that means, although it's a fairly typical area of low pressure that we see in the north atlantic at this time of year, it does contain air of tropical origins and a lot of moisture. all that moisture will be dumped over western scotland and northwest england, parts of wales and northern ireland overnight, and the winds will pick up as well, with gales

when sue gray, is concerned.sue gray, a very significant figure in the cabinet office and herself a former head of the ethics division of the cabinet office, was poached by keir starmer to be his chief of staff. and there was, you may recall, quite a row about this because, you know, there are rules governing civil servants just leaping out of whitehall into a political party, taking with them the secrets of government. and after a you know, a considerable amount of toing and froing, there was a kind of, period in which, you know, she was kind of neither one thing nor the other, which was considered to be just about. okay, but nevertheless, it still left a bad taste in the mouth. and so you have at the very heart of the starmer administration, a fundamental, really questionable attitude to ethics in whitehall, in which the people involved in ethics in whitehall supposedly are themselves caught up in this highly questionable behaviour. >> well, thank you very much, melanie, for putting it so clearly and eloquently

the papers says whitehall sources accuse sue gray of "thinking she runs the country." an attempt to help the pm cope with his workload. now to events in russia, where the defence ministry says its forces are still trying to repel a ukrainian cross—border incursion which is now in its fifth day. russia says it's evacuated more than 76,000 people from the kursk region since tuesday and strict security measures have come into place there and in two other regions — bryansk and belgorod. russia's nuclear agency has warned the incursion poses a direct threat to the kursk nuclear power plant. the un nuclear agency has urged both sides to exercise maximum restraint, as fighting moves closer to the plant. reports suggest ukraine's army could be operating up to 35 kilometres inside russia, with intense fighting close to the town of sudzha. and speaking tonight, ukrainian president zelensky has acknowledged the attack that is pushing the war into russia. translation: today, i received i several reports regarding the front lines and our actions to push the war onto the aggressor�*

and, you know, if you do anything wrong, sue gray will investigate you. son, her son's party took £10,000 from the same man. so, you know, there's a lot of dodgy money flowing around. >> it's not a good look for laboun >> it's not a good look for labour, is it? i think it's purely because when you think of labour politicians, you expect all of their clothes to be hand stitched by people from mines and sort of like, i don't know how they're doing it. yeah. >> the donkey jacket. yeah, exactly. >> so not really for it's not a good look. >> if it was the tories you kind of go there, you go for it. but like with the labour it's very disappointing. >> yeah. well we'll see if they get past it, moving on to the express, adam. what have they got in the cover? yeah. >> so the daily express says it's a betrayal. labour has no mandate to axe winter fuel payments. so. yeah. so those of you who have been following the story, this is obviously the news, the revelation that labour are planning on sort of axing the winter fuel payments, which affects pensioners in particu

sue gray seemingly stacks the civil service with political appointees, so why isn't there more outragep lee anderson gives his unfiltered opinion on that . now unfiltered opinion on that. now labour's bank breaking servitude to the unions, as well as yvette cooper's dubious deportation drive is all to play for this evening. but up next, yes, as rachel reeves paves the way for tax rises after a £5 billion borrowing surge in last month. that was just it last month. will the chancellor bankrupt britain to satisfy the unions former labour party adviser torbett goes head head with former tory mp marco next. welcome back to patrick christys tonight. well lee anderson is up soon. we've got rather a lot to talk about there, haven't we? but first, will rachel reeves bankrupt britain to satisfy labour's union paymasters? it's time now for the head to head . time now for the head to head. absolutely. remarkable story emerged today. so the chancellor is paving the way for october tax rises after bumper paydays for public sector workers , for public sector workers, fuelled by a multi—billion pound

well, let's not forget sue gray was a propriety and ethics person .now better than anybody that what this looks like. and. but let's not forget , her son but let's not forget, her son got ten grand from this donor. so i think it stinks. it needs cleaning up. and i'd like to see every media outlet, including the bbc, calling starmer out. >> do you think there's a two tier media when it comes to labour? >> well, i think so, yes, and i definitely i think organisations like the bbc are definitely very lenient towards labour. but i really have to echo the same sentiments as andrea in terms of it really does stink. all of the sleaze is pure hypocrisy. like i said earlier in the show, keir starmer was saying that he's going to clean up politics. life in public office and as leader of the opposition, he was saying that the tory party were handing outjobs that the tory party were handing out jobs to their mates. dodgy contracts, etc. but look at what we're seeing with lord alli. he donated £500,000 to the labour party. he gets a number 10 pass. he hosted a pos

keir starmer's chief of staff , the son of sue gray. of staff, and he was given a triple a all access pass to downing street. and that's particularly problematic because if you have somebody with access to power, then you need to know what their job is. and so the reason the rules exist is not just to protect the british public and journalists. so we all know what the rules are and who's there and who's advising the prime minister. the rules are also there to protect the prime minister and his chief of staff and his team from accusations that people are able to flit in and out of downing street and provide advice. and we don't know who's there, because when you have a democracy, it's not just about voting. we all accept that the prime minister can't do his job by himself, and he or and her or herself, or that he needs a cabinet and he's going to need advisers. but the point is, we know who those advisers are. we know who those advisers are. we know who those advisers are. we know who is in the cabinet. we know who is in the cabinet. we

sue gray, this the scenes.haracter, this pivotal character, this pivotal character in the civil service who turns out has a labour party mp son now was clearly quite a political person all this time in the apolitical civil service now is running keir starmer's operation and is not only bringing donors into downing street. if indeed she's behind this pass, we do not know that. but also appointing political advisers to the civil service in particularly senior civil service roles , propriety and service roles, propriety and ethics. for example, someone brought in from a labour think tank to a relatively senior civil service post. i mean, this stuff is deeply unusual. it's changing the way our civil service works . service works. >> yeah , no, there's nothing >> yeah, no, there's nothing wrong in principle with bringing in outside experts to work in the civil service. >> however, it all needs to be done with full transparency and the commission which approves these appointments needs to be aware if these individual

now we have sir keir starmer and a leaked report said to be originated by sue gray, but no one knowsruth of that. appearing in the sun newspaper, this morning, suggesting there will be an outdoor smoking ban. yeah, that's right, you won't be able to smoke in pub gardens, outside pubs, outside sports venues. now of course, this all began really back in 2006 when the blair government banned indoor smoking, even in private members clubs. it meant a direct 20% loss of revenue for pubs and working men's clubs, and has been quite a major contributory factor to the closure of 7000 licensed premises. this particular proposal would, i think, literally kill off the traditional pub for good. they might survive as restaurants, but not as pubs. but sir keir seems pretty keen on all of this. here he was speaking this morning outside the elysee palace in paris . morning outside the elysee palace in paris. no, we morning outside the elysee palace in paris . no, we haven't palace in paris. no, we haven't got it. okay. no problem . so got it. okay. no problem. so what he basically said was that smokin

was it sue gray? this is the kind of thing that warrants an investigation.several problems for sir keir starmer because there are countless clips of him saying stuff like this. >> to change britain, we must change ourselves. we need to clean up politics. no more vip fast lanes , no more kickbacks fast lanes, no more kickbacks for colleagues, no more revolving doors between government and the companies they regulate. i will restore standards in public life with a total crackdown on cronyism. >> would sir keir starmer now have to resign? if it turns out there's been a little bit of cronyism? but it gets worse for labour chancellor rachel reeves has now been reported to the ministerial standards watchdog after another labour donor was mysteriously made a director at the treasury shortly after the election. ian caulfield reportedly donated £5,000 to rachel reeves in 2023. his appointment had to be approved by the civil service commission , by the civil service commission, which was apparently not made aware of that donation . there is aware of that donation. the

sue gray, keir starmer is now chief of staff. peter, last word to you. oh yeah. >> thank you.police were behind it because the police thankfully are politically independent. and you know , independent. and you know, joking aside, because it's a very serious matter. joking aside, because it's a very serious matter . there was a very serious matter. there was a conservative mp convicted of a sexual assault. so yeah, that is a terrible perspective. >> no doubt. >> no doubt. >> what wrongdoing looks like . >> what wrongdoing looks like. >> what wrongdoing looks like. >> it probably will be allegations made against labour mps because sadly, politicians are just like ordinary people. there will be criminals. there will be people who've behaved badly in the house of commons, just as there are in the general public. but that is a different matter to going after elected politicians for minor misdemeanours , not even misdemeanours, not even misdemeanours. allegations of misdemeanours. allegations of misdemeanours and turning the focus of the of the media relentlessly on those things to

people like sue gray were always going to oppose it because they have their own chief of staff to keir staff to keir starmer, chief of staff to keir starmer. they have their own culture in the civil service. and that's what she comes from. >> nelson moutaz ahmed is right, isn't it? it's far easier, frankly, to add jobs to than cut them. cutting jobs is really, really hard. and in the private sector really hard and virtually impossible in the state sector. >> but they will be cut anyway . >> but they will be cut anyway. despite this, i mean, what the tories were doing was coming up with an with an arbitrary target. let's get rid of 60, 66,000 civil servants that will solve all the problems. what rachel reeves has come up with. she's she's asking departments to make 2% cuts, and as a result of that, there will be lost jobs. so it's not as if the civil service is actually increasing. you're just doing it. doing it in a much in a much better way. >> why is the state 100,000 bigger than in 2016? moutaz ahmad is that is that maybe because brexit's repatriated a third of the laws in this coun

this is on the back of sue gray, who came in a while back. this, jobs for the boys or jobs for the girls? henry? are they stitching up the whole civil service for their own gains? >> i think they are, yes. instead of dealing with the problems within the civil service, the. because tony blair years ago brought in mobility. he got rid of specialists, particularly in the foreign office but other home office as well. and instead of dealing with those systemic problems , with those systemic problems, they're bringing in their own people. and some of them, jessica. sergeant, for example, into a position that is supposed to be overseeing the integrity and the impartiality of the civil service. so, you know, this is i can see it as no other motivation than political influence over the civil service. and even if that's not the intention, then their their naivety and their political ineptitude in doing this, is one of the results because they're demonstrating, even if it's not deliberate, the thing that they're making it look, the thing is, it's for me

people like sue gray were always going to oppose it because they have their own chief of staff to keirstaff to keir starmer, chief of staff to keir starmer. they have their own culture in the civil service. and that's what she comes from. >> nelson moutaz ahmed is right, isn't it? it's far easier, frankly, to add jobs to than cut them. cutting jobs is really, really hard. and in the private sector really hard and virtually impossible in the state sector. >> but they will be cut anyway . >> but they will be cut anyway. despite this, i mean, what the tories were doing was coming up with an with an arbitrary target. let's get rid of 60, 66,000 civil servants that will solve all the problems. what rachel reeves has come up with. she's she's asking departments to make 2% cuts, and as a result of that, there will be lost jobs. so it's not as if the civil service is actually increasing. you're just doing it. doing it in a much in a much better way. >> why is the state 100,000 bigger than in 2016? moutaz ahmad is that is that maybe because brexit's repatriated a third of the laws in this count

because there's stuff in the papers again saying that sue gray, who's now what is she, chief of staff or something like that for keir starmer, is, at loggerheads, it would appear, with so many people. >> she is a force to be reckoned with. one of the people said non—attributable, she's not a woman to be naughty worded with and, her job, of course, is to fix is to make the delivery happen. fix is to make the delivery happen . but at the same time, happen. but at the same time, there is another character in this , morgan mcsweeney, whose this, morgan mcsweeney, whose job it is to ensure that the politics are right. basically, the presentation and there have been all sorts of strange stories about the two of them shuffling one another's desks around and god knows what else. and i can see it's going to take i mean, i can see one problem, which is the fact that sunak had a serious problem with political presentations, which is why he made so many gaffes. and it is very important not to allow that to happen under the new administration. but most certainly there are the there are this this d

some say it's because sue gray is blocking appointments of spads or refusing to sign off on them.they're having to sort of do it in a sort of back door kind of way. but it's incredibly corrupt andifs way. but it's incredibly corrupt and it's incredibly dodgy, given that and hypocritical. hypocritical given how much they talked about cronyism under the tories. they went on and on about it, and this is just another example of that hypocrisy. >> i you know what? >> i you know what? >> you know what i don't i don't believe it. i don't believe that, you know, i'm no fan of the, of the, of labour party. but this i think is what happens. the new party gets in and who, who, who gives them money they're going to give a job to. so you know, they have very little to give. it's like it's like in my borough of southwark, the council is giving. i'm not saying southwark, the council is giving out housing who have already said something. >> i said i was half listening and i caught that. >> i don't want to go out on limb. >> it's not what happens. there is a big difference the way they are just ha