, who's someone like sue klebold, who's the mother of one of the killers in columbine.'s spoken extensively about what life is like, where i didn't know, i couldn't identify it. sometimes you have a child who just goes left, okay? she's been in dangen left, okay? she's been in danger. look why don't we look at the other aspect of this? >> quite interesting. i am massively in favour of these younger people involved in these kinds of crimes. not this particular one. but there are. there are knife murders going on in our country every single day, almost . right. in our country every single day, almost. right. i'm in favour of those. those killers being named. i do not believe that what was appropriate in 1933, when we got killers walking around at 14 and 13, literally with knives that long, killing people that they're allowed. oh, if we keep all quiet about this, nobody gets identified by the time they get to 28 or 30. once they come out of doing 14 or 15 years, nobody will know. i want to know. i want to know if they live next door to me. i do not believe. i believe in sa