suella braverman us suella braverman has told us that firms that rely on foreign suella braverman haslla braverman has told us that firnshould pay more'eign suella braverman has told us that firnshould pay more injn suella braverman has told us that firnshould pay more in tax workers should pay more in tax to help bring down net migration . she gave an exclusive interview to christopher hope. she also talks about police thing about tax cuts for british people, about lee anderson and about leaving the echr. we'll have that after this. i'm . have that after this. i'm. martin. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news afternoon. on. gb news afternoon. >> welcome to your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. a few heavy showers around this afternoon , showers around this afternoon, but they're going to fade through this evening. most of us having dry night. fog and having a dry night. some fog and frost the southwest. that's frost in the southwest. that's where we've had clearer where we've had the clearer skies day . still skies through the day.

and that's what worries most . worries me the most. >> suella braverman thank you. >> suella bravermanout >> she had a lot to say about the conservatives prospects at the conservatives prospects at the next election. she doesn't seem too, uh, confident about that. but let's discuss with christopher hope. uh, christopher hope. uh, christopher has lots to say on a number. great interview, by the way. interest eating. she very much stands by lee anderson. she insists he is absolutely not an islamophobe talking about this, uh, raising taxes on companies that , uh, uh, raising taxes on companies that, uh, that uh, raising taxes on companies that , uh, that recruit uh, raising taxes on companies that, uh, that recruit foreign workers is. that's an interesting one. clearly, she didn't get that through the home office when she was in charge . office when she was in charge. >> yes. i thought you might like that one. that's right. so net migration was 700,000 last year , migration was 700,000 last year, fuelled in part by the ukraine crisis. uh, people arriving here from hong kong, china, from h

>> does this suella braverman thing this off? ay so it's important just okay so it's important to just remember, you know, suella. all right. very strong right. she used very strong language actual language okay. but the actual heart sentiment was heart of this sentiment was essentially exactly the same as what rishi sunak was saying. sure. why is she gone ? you know, sure. why is she gone? you know, he's now gone. i mean, i think, you know, full frontal weakness, though. >> that's what i'm saying. he's desperately trying catch up desperately trying to catch up to that he's not too to make sure that he's not too far away from suella braverman. and taken him , you know, a and it's taken him, you know, a couple of weeks . all of this couple of weeks. all of this strikes as being the strikes me as being the difficulty that rishi sunak has with politics. he's good on the ground plans microeconomics ground plans and microeconomics and the budget and all that kind of thing. but when it comes to straightforward, old fashioned politics, s

suella braverman. we'll talk about them. you're sounding like morrissey from the smiths. heaven knows you're miserable now! you can't stop telling us how miserable everything is, the country is going to the dogs... i mean, the one thing i could never be accused of is being miserable. you know, i've never been miserable. i can be pessimistic on issues, yes, concerned about issues. i'm not a pessimist by nature, farfrom it. i'm a ludicrous optimist. i mean, who would have spent all those years in ukip unless i had been? is liz truss right? you sat with her. you interviewed her. at something called cpac, the conservative political action committee in washington, dc. and she said, "a deep state is running britain". ok, i'll tell you why she said that. the day before, there had been an international panel. i sat next to her. and she said that one of the biggest problems that she had was the quango—ocracy. well, of course, nobody in america understood that. she said that's your equivalent of the deep state. hence the use of that terminology. was she right in what she said? you

suella braverman. we'll talk about them. you sounded like morrissey from the smiths. mean, heaven knows you're miserable now. you can't stop telling us how miserable everything is, the country is going to the dogs... i mean, the one thing i could never be accused of was being miserable. you know, i've never been miserable. i can be pessimistic on issues, yes, concerned about issues. i'm not a pessimist by nature, farfrom it. i'm a ludicrous optimist. i mean, who would have spent all those years in ukip? unless i had been. is liz truss right? you sat with her. you interviewed her? at something called cpac, the conservative political action committee in washington, dc. and she said a deep state is running britain. ok, i'll tell you why she said that. the day before, there had been an international panel. i sat next to her. and she said that one of the biggest problems that she had was the quango—ocracy. well, of course, nobody in america understood that. she said that's your equivalent of the deep state. hence the use of that terminology. was she right in what she said?

i think is suella braverman think it is suella braverman feels for feels somewhat responsible for whatpiece planted this seed with her piece for which for the telegraph, which said, oh, about islamism? oh, whatever about islamism? and then anderson took it then lee anderson took it clumsily, it out there. but clumsily, put it out there. but he did. he did suggest that a muslim mayor has islamist mates, that is, come what? well, how is that is, come what? well, how is that not islamophobic ? and if it that not islamophobic? and if it was me, i would say suella should lose the whip as islamophobic. >> do you know what it's. what's the definition in your head of islamophobe the definition in your head of isléum,hobe the definition in your head of isle um, creating idea that >> um, creating an idea that muslims are in some way a threat, an irrational fear of muslims? >> well, how is that what he's just said there? >> saying saying that because you are a muslim mayor, you are in pockets of . islamists in the pockets of. is islamists extreme extremists in the pockets of extremists just by, b

suella braverman was rishi sunak�*s home secretary until he sacked her last november.o two ways about it. we have failed to reduce overall migration. - would you say, then, that brexit has failed to deliver on immigration? no, i would say that government has failed to lower migration. . we've taken back control- of our borders, but how we've exercised that power is totally at odds with what the people i expected following brexit and what we promised i in the 2019 general election. the government, though, sees things quite differently. what do you think happened between taking office after the 2019 election, and now, that we've seen a large spike in immigration? what's responsible for that? we have lived in unprecedented times. when you consider the context of the international crises that we have played our part, i think rightly, in responding to, we've seen incredible generosity in our country to people from ukraine, people from afghanistan, people from syria and other conflict zones. that is an important part of why we've seen the figures as they are. it is important

at that time, suella braverman was home secretary.il rishi sunak sacked she now says the prime minister had not necessarily assumed that legal migration was an important issue for the british people. and she makes this claim. i struggled myself as home secretary to even have a meaningful conversation with him about it. i was left to written correspondence on several occasions throughout a period of 12 months, putting forward policy proposals, but he refused to talk to me. number ten declined to comment on this. in 2019, the conservatives committed to reducing immigration, and despite a new visa system introduced after brexit, the opposite happened. professor brian bell is chair of the government's independent migration advisory committee. we've offered humanitarian schemes to the ukraine and hong kong citizens. we've increased the number of international students and we've increased the number of workers, particularly in the health and social care sector. they are all the result of deliberate policy by the government. yes, i bought th

suella braverman it exactly. that people could in a in a way that people could start thinking and debating about. but when the prime minister said night, this minister said last night, this week, with senior week, i've met with senior police and made clear police officers and made clear that the public's that at the public's expectation, expectation is that not to merely manage these protests, but to police them. and i say to the police, we will back you when you take action. he should have been saying that months ago. and not only that, i sincerely believe the police have all those powers now. the problem is nobody in government, nobody the home office, nobody at the home office, nobody at the home office, nobody in downing is nobody in downing street is ordering police . use the ordering the police. use the powers. got to take powers. you've got to take extremism off our streets , which extremism off our streets, which intimidates and worries large sections of our communities. so why coming to you, matt ? why c

that's the stark warning from former home secretary suella braverman , who secretary suella bravermanre allowed to continue. is she right to make me this former kiss will you take my hand and spin me round and round until and uk eurovision release? >> it's already quite catchy that this morning our entry to the music event at olly alexander releases his song dizzy. are we going to have better luck this time or will it still be nil? >> and should we buy him at shirt that fits? i should point out that the eurovision entry comes with a video featuring the wonderful new singing star that will be competing for britain, but wearing shirt shows wearing a t shirt that shows most tummy. i'll be most of his tummy. i'll be honest , i'm most of his tummy. i'll be honest, i'm in age and honest, i'm in middle age and i couldn't pull it off. >> that's for our radio listeners right there. get in touch with this morning views listeners right there. get in t0|gb with this morning views listeners right there. get in t0|gb news.com.iorning views listeners right there. get in t0|gb news.com. first,g views

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at that time suella braverman was home secretary, until rishi sunak sacked her in november. necessarily assume that legal migration was an important issue for the british people. and she makes this claim. i people. and she makes this claim. i have troubled myself as home secretary to have a conversation with him about it. i was left to written correspondence on several occasions for a period of 12 months putting forward policy proposals but he refused to talk to me.— putting forward policy proposals but he refused to talk to me. number ten declined to comment _ he refused to talk to me. number ten declined to comment on _ he refused to talk to me. number ten declined to comment on this. - he refused to talk to me. number ten declined to comment on this. in - he refused to talk to me. number ten declined to comment on this. in 2019 | declined to comment on this. in 2019 the conservatives committed to reducing immigration. and despite a new visa system introduced after brexit, the opposite happened. professor brian bell is chair of the government's independent migration adviso

but an exclusive interview with gb news, the former home secretary, suella braverman , may have disclosed braverman, may have disclosed some solutions. a rift has emerged over the new government definition of extremism after concerns that it could be used against trans ideology . critics against trans ideology. critics and traditional christians. against trans ideology. critics and traditional christians . but and traditional christians. but surely we need to recognise reality . the problem is surely we need to recognise reality. the problem is islamism . plus, today i had a bit of a go at a ridiculous diversity test to try and earn myself a 20% discount at north face, i will be exclusively revealing the results of the test for this evening's grand finale. state of the nation starts now . the nation starts now. i'll also be joined by my most theatrical panel this evening, criminal barrister and former tory mp jerry hayes, and the author and journalist michael crick. as always , i want to hear crick. as always, i want to hear from you. it's a crucial part of the programme. you know the ema

this is the same prime minister ed davey says, made suella braverman says, who made suella bravermanhome secretary and lee anderson as the party's chairman. as the party's deputy chairman. if is serious about if the pm is serious about bringing people together his call, he should call a general election now. people, the election now. so the people, the british public can decide the future of our country. so that kind which the pm was kind of idea, which the pm was trying to get across, reaching across party divide in to look after our democracy has been rejected tonight by the liberal democrats . democrats. >> christopher, i can tell you now , um, george galloway, he was now, um, george galloway, he was just interviewed off the back of that rishi. um sunak statement and he um, apparently said, i've got the democratic mandate here, not rishi sunak. don't put statements made by rishi sunak to me as if i'm meant to be impressed by them. when asked, do you respect the prime minister? he said i despise lies. the prime minister you just have to suck it up. he says i won the election. matt

earlier today, christopher hope spoke to the former home secretary, suella braverman, on this.her matters . this. among other matters. >> the solution is actually ultimately to pass a law that is excludes people from making individual claims, excludes the totality of international law. the european convention of human rights, the refugee convention which stymie our ability to control our borders, pass it via emergency measures , i.e. more emergency measures, i.e. more quickly than is currently being done. so we get it on the statute books and we can actually operate analyse flights to rwanda on a, on a, on a large scale with large numbers of passengers and on a regular basis, because that's the only way we get we send the message that coming to the uk on a small boat not to a life in boat will not lead to a life in this country . this country. >> well, i'm joined by my panel, criminal barrister and former tory mp jerry hayes, and the author and journalist michael crick. we need , in suella terms, crick. we need, in suella terms, to operational, is it not a word i particularly l

speech in downing street, basically saying exactly what suella been has this suella has been saying has this now vindicated? bravermani think many of the arguments that was making for or that suella was making for or five months ago have been proven to be absolutely right . is there to be absolutely right. is there a genuine concern that there is a genuine concern that there is a two tier policing in this country? see, yes. i think that she was right to say that. that's a concern. would some of these incidents be policed differently? were they far right versus this? um, the islamic extremist element that we're seeing ? i think there's a strong seeing? i think there's a strong case to say that there is. but what matters now, i think is less around the personalities or the sentiments . i'm pleased to the sentiments. i'm pleased to see that the prime minister has adopted much of the rhetoric that suella and i have been saying for several months, what matters are solutions and answers to this question. that's what the public is crying out for now, really briefly, because we're time. we're running out of time. >> rochdale

. >> and my mark meets guest is the politician who, after an extraordinary row with suella braverman, was thrown out of tory party conference. find out why shortly and it might take a ten. the bbc star in trouble for stating biological facts . the stating biological facts. the corporation is cancelling women and you're paying for the pleasure . it'll all be dealing pleasure. it'll all be dealing with our increasingly woke national state broadcaster in no uncertain terms . at 10:00. two uncertain terms. at 10:00. two hours of big opinion, big debate and big entertainment. so much to get through. but first, the news headlines and aaron armstrong . thanks mark. armstrong. thanks mark. >> i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. the chancellor has indicated wednesday's budget is unlikely to include tax cuts. jeremy hunt says his spending plan will be prudent and responsible. the chancellor says the economic headroom set out by financial forecasts has gone against the government recently , against the government recently, with the office for budget responsibility calculating he's got £2 bil

well, that suella well, what was it that suella braverman was saying? that that you to ? there was a load of things. of vilification things. the sort of vilification of asylum seekers, people who were just trying to, um, make a good life for themselves . and good life for themselves. and then she went on and they used this phrase trans ideology, which is just a ridiculous phrase. >> you don't like the expression because you think that it's masking trans phobic thoughts about people, because it's about trans people. >> it's not about trans ideology. i did a report some while ago about what was going on in poland , about gay free on in poland, about gay free zones , for example. and there zones, for example. and there they use the terminology lgbt ideology, what they actually wanted to say is we don't like gay people and the same is true. you stick ideology in on the end of a group of people, and all of a sudden it becomes sinister and a sudden it becomes sinister and a threat to our way of life and all the rest of it. what she was actually talking about was trans people, a

>> suella braverman. >> suella braverman. >> there a piece in the >> there was a piece in the papersat might be ablthing die. the only person that might be ablthing is die. the only person that might be ablthing is changing. the only person that might be ablthing is changing a leader, >> thing is changing a leader, having that leadership election just to march just causes. we went to march already. need to get they already. they need to get they need to get steady. the ship and they wait until they could work out, wait until january year if they waited january next year if they waited until january next year. >> braverman again >> got sunak out braverman again will in will be so divisive in other ways. >> cannot imagine that. well, >> i cannot imagine that. well, you know what? nothing is going to polls for the to shift the polls for the conservatives right now. >> people have their mind up. >> yeah, but i think that the i think the prospects of a may election are receding this morning downing sees morning as downing street sees a poll on 20. yeah um, and interestingly, it's not it's

suella braverman listen , i we suella braverman listen, i we need to say see? in the police response. they need to be enforcing the law. they need to be arresting people who are using, or abusive using, threatening or abusive language. we need to be holding the police to account in a better way. and i would have liked to have seen an emergency law introduced actually law introduced to actually empower and empower empower ministers and empower all those policy makers who all of those policy makers who are, uh, responsible for this issue, to actually take, uh, steps to restrict some of these marches. >> i can tell you, daniel, apparently, gb news, who's revealed today that the police are not going to, um, behave differently at all this weekend on this big planned protest that's set happen in london. that's set to happen in london. where are you on all this? well i'm with the prime minister. >> i thought the prime minister's speech was very good. i thought it put his finger on a lot of concerns that people are concerns a lot people concerns that a lot of people ha

but an exclusive interview with gb news, the former home secretary, suella braverman , may have disclosed some solutions. a rift has emerged over the new government definition of extremism after concerns that it could be used against trans ideology . critics against trans ideology. critics and traditional christians. against trans ideology. critics and traditional christians . but and traditional christians. but surely we need to recognise reality . the problem is surely we need to recognise reality. the problem is islamism . plus, today i had a bit of a go at a ridiculous diversity test to try and earn myself a 20% discount at north face, i will be exclusively revealing the results of the test for this evening's grand finale. state of the nation starts now . the nation starts now. i'll also be joined by my most theatrical panel this evening, criminal barrister and former tory mp jerry hayes, and the author and journalist michael crick. as always , i want to hear crick. as always, i want to hear from you. it's a crucial part of the programme. you know the email by now it's mailmogg@gbnews

applause the party that brought us boris johnson, suella braverman and lee anderson, proudly funded byexist comments. the conservatives no longer represent british values of decency, tolerance and the rule of law. applause the truth is, this prime minister is now so weak he will say anything to stop his own right—wing mps from kicking him out before the british people get the chance. he is outrageously running down the clock, enjoying the trappings of office for a few months more while the crisis facing our countryjust gets worse and worse and worse. conference, that shouldn't even be an option for a prime minister. and, really, it is a prime minister. and, really, it is a small but telling example of what is wrong with our broken political system and the two big parties who p"°p system and the two big parties who prop it up. the only reason rishi sunak gets to pick a date of his choosing is because two years ago, the conservatives passed a law taking that power away from parliament and handing it solely to the prime minister. while liberal democrat mps stood firm and voted no, labours

suella braverman has been out saying it is not the budget she wanted.ecome a political problem for the prime minister tomorrow? >> i think the problem is too many backbenchers have been too restless for too long, demanding all kinds of things in the short-term just to get people to a difficult few weeks. a couple years ago, 37 billion pounds spent on subsidizing fuel bills. will anyone about at this election, saying i am voting conservative because they bailed me out at that point in time? no. the reality from this boat was minuscule. the bill from the pandemic was so indoor miss. the psalms they are arguing now, 8 billion versus 4 billion spent in a way in the u.k. is arguing against it. the government needs to explain that the reason we are here is not because they have been on a crazy spending spree, conspicuous consumption, but paying the price of getting written through tough economic times. the direction of travel now and the philosophical approach for conservatives is now back on track and clear for all to see. it may not be convincing enough for

we about suella we talked about suella braverman. lked about suella bravethe country it's about we talked about suella bravethe country returned about we talked about suella bravethe country returned to out time the country returned to reality. suella braverman speaks time the country returned to rettruth,'>uella braverman speaks time the country returned to rettruth,'>uell the averman speaks time the country returned to rettruth, '>uell the avern people aks to truth, and the only people disagreeing to truth, and the only people disag want] to truth, and the only people disag want to hear fingers don't want to hear it. fingers and ears. just because we don't like mean like it doesn't mean it's untrue. and tony says, how about doing away with men's prisons and women's prisons and having prisons people with penis , prisons for people with a penis, and prisons people with a and prisons for people with a vagina? to vagina? we can extend this to toilets and changing rooms. but what if they've had the they've changed not really changed it,

dangers he then gives a speech in downing street basically saying exactly what suella has been saying has this now vindicated? braverman i think of the arguments >> i think many of the arguments that was making 4 or 5 that suella was making 4 or 5 months ago have been proven to be absolutely right? is there a genuine concern that there is a two tier policing in this country ? yes. i think that she country? yes. i think that she was right to say that. that's a concern . would some of these concern. would some of these incidents be policed differently were they a far right versus , were they a far right versus, um, the islamic extremist element that we're seeing? i think there's a strong case to say that there is. but what matters now, i think, is less around the personal deities or the sentiments. i'm pleased to see that the prime minister has adopted much of the rhetoric that suella and i have been saying for for, several months, what matters are solutions and answers to this question . that's answers to this question. that's what the public is crying out for now. >> really briefly, because we're running time. running

and now, of course, some of the most divisive politicians are people like suella braverman.o, to paraphrase martin luther king, it is not the color of your skin that matters when it comes to tackling racism and discrimination, bringing communities together. it has to be the content of your character and your willingness to lead, and that is not what we are seeing today. i asked mark harper, the cabinet minister who was doing the rounds this morning, if the tories had a problem with race and he absolutely denied it. did you straightaway think these alleged comments were racist? yes. look, the prime minister made it very clear at prime minister's questions on wednesday that they were racist. it took him some time to do that. did you think straightaway they were racist? well, you said it took an age in political terms, it didn't really take very long at all. the prime minister was very clear on wednesday and his spokesman had been clear the evening before. they were racist comments and they were unacceptable, and mr hester apologised for those. that's not actually what happened

suella braverman has mentioned this before. she was also she lost herjob as a minister over this.tement bated to that statement with bated breath let's finally, if breath. let's see finally, if they're going to clamp down on they're going to clamp down on the was out there last the mob. i was out there last wednesday. police had no wednesday. the police had no interest whatsoever in taking control of the situation . those control of the situation. those images were projected onto big ben. they simply stood by the man in balaclavas discussed seeing images, disgusting slogans . the police simply did slogans. the police simply did nothing. so let's see if they're going to change their tune at last. that's at 530, of course , last. that's at 530, of course, we'll have that live now. a man has been jailed for two years after counter—terror police arrested him for running on and onune arrested him for running on and online library of anti immigration stickers. it's been described as an assault on free speech. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel . welcome back. it's 449

the reason why he began talking about this was he was saying suella braverman, the immediate last home run by islamists. so he is saying, no, no, no, i'm paraphrasing, all right? no, no, braverman is wrong, it's not the country that is run by islamists, but london is, sadiq khan under but london is, sadiq khan, under the control of his mates. what is the difference between the country and london? answer, the mayor is of islamic faith and of pakistani origin. is there a distinction? because you have used the word islamophobic and the word racist. is there a distinction between those two things, given you can be a follower of islam, and not of a different race, you know, it isn't necessarily a racial thing? i don't want to get into legal jurisprudence, but in shorthand, there are different definitions of anti—semitism, there is case law about anti—semitism, because historically, it's not any—more, but with islam you can be a follower of islam but of different ethnicities. yes — question, those muslims who are practising who are white, we don't know they are muslims because they don't hav

now, months after leaving her post, the former home secretary suella braverman has accused rishi sunak

islamist threats to politicians , threats to politicians, conservative mps lee anderson and suella bravermane been accused of islamophobia for drawing attention to this, and lee is even being investigated for hate crime by london's mayor, sadiq khan's police force for suggesting that sadiq is under the thumb of islamists. although i've never understood the revulsion at islamophobia , the revulsion at islamophobia, nobody gives people with arachnophobia a hard time for their fear , and all spiders do their fear, and all spiders do is sometimes pop out around the house. if osama bin laden came scuttling out from under your couch, it's much more understandable if you don't like it. i think it's the legs. they're so hairy, and the fact that dead 13 that he's been dead for 13 years, of but people are years, of course, but people are going want to swipe away with going to want to swipe away with a rolled up newspaper and if you turned on the bathroom light and found abu hamza in your bath, unable to get out because his hooks give him any hooks don't give him any purchase sides, purchase on the shi

so suella braverman minority.o talk specifically black, um, i mentioned kemi badenoch before the break and you didn't say she was the wrong type of black person. said a very person. you said she was a very specific type of black person. if james cleverly, of if i choose james cleverly, of course, another person in course, another black person in the the most the cabinet. perhaps the most interesting example, because the career come to fruition is, career has come to fruition is, is kwasi kwarteng , who became is kwasi kwarteng, who became our first black chancellor, not very, very long, but of course, he rose in the conservative party perceived merit . he party on perceived merit. and he fell quickly perceived fell very quickly on perceived merit people would merit or however people would judge that performance. and there is a, uh, somebody who's political career rose and fell within the party to which i belong, based on what the perceptions of his merit were. and would say that's good and i would say that's a goo

talking of which, we've got news of another rebellion, this time suella braverman law and order. ch of england are surely to blame to pay or not to pee. well, look at a council that's had a 3030 9,000% increase in issuing £88 fines to people having a wee in a layby and people aren't happy about it. plus, a truck driver fined £66,000 by border force after illegal immigrants stowing away were found in the back of his truck . it wasn't his fault, but truck. it wasn't his fault, but he's got to pay. we'll talk to the truck driver owner company who says it's an absolute outrage. all that coming on my show three till six. but first time for your latest weather forecast . forecast. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news . news. >> hello again. here's your latest gb news weather forecast brought to you by the met office. more rains to come as we go through the next few days , go through the next few days, especially in the northwest. but it to mild, albeit it is going to be mild, albeit also windy because we have an area pressure developing area of low pressu

and as figures like suella braverman figures like kemi badenoch rise up the ranks, i think it pushesple to think that the tory party is morphing into a ukip party. and i think that's why now they want to pull it back to the centre, to pull it back to the centre, to be palatable to the main. >> what good is that, amy? >> what good is that, amy? >> because then if they're pulling back to the centre, there is no clear water there is no clear blue water between them labour anymore. between them and labour anymore. all now is imitate all labour do now is imitate tory and tories tory policies, and tories imitate labour policies. and i think the movement i saw, i heard duncan smith talking heard ian duncan smith talking this he made this morning. okay. and he made it clear if we adopted what it very clear if we adopted what we regard as traditional tory values low tax, low tax, small state, you know, people standing on their own two feet that at least will invite another group of voters in, unfortunately running out of time. >> one very, very quick answer , >> one very, very quick answer, a

this one, this time led again by suella braverman. >> my hand here >> that's right in my hand here is amendments for the sentencing you can't sentencing bill. and you can't really detail here. but really see the detail here. but this back to this is remember back to the king's the government this is remember back to the kingsaid the government this is remember back to the kingsaid it the government this is remember back to the kingsaid it won't1e government this is remember back to the kingsaid it won't jailovernment this is remember back to the kingsaid it won't jail criminalst has said it won't jail criminals for year. tory mps for less than a year. tory mps are very concerned. it's passed the first reading of the sentencing bill, but no further. but the reason why it's being weighed by the volume of weighed down by the volume of tory to it tory mps trying to amend it to stop the government releasing people who, frankly, should be jailed should be kept in jailed up, should be kept in prison and shouldn't be released into more than prison and shouldn't be released into in more than p

very restless backbenchers already responding to i backbenchers already responding to that, suella bravermanter tomorrow?— problem for the prime minister tomorrow? ~ , ., , , tomorrow? i think the problem is too many backbenchers _ tomorrow? i think the problem is too many backbenchers being _ tomorrow? i think the problem is too many backbenchers being breathless| many backbenchers being breathless for too long, demanding all kinds of things in the short term, just to get people through a difficult few weeks. last year, a couple of years ago, 37 billion pounds spent on subsidising fuel bills. will anyone vote at this election, saying, i voted conservative because they billed me as at that point? no. that won't be the case. the reality today is that the room for manoeuvre is minuscule, because —— the they are arguing over now, versus spent, that hardly anyone in the uk is arguing against it, and so, justine is right, the government needs to explain that the reason we're here is not because they have been on a crazy spending spree, not because of consumption, but playing the price of getting

suella braverman, the former home secretary, and he's removed the whip from lee anderson, the mp who'ssly when he comes out. he makes a grand and fine speech with some fine words, but his actions , i'm afraid, you his actions, i'm afraid, you know, if you're going to judge politicians by their actions rather their words every rather than their words on every count, sunak has failed, and the conservative government has failed on this. >> some would suggest >> well, some some would suggest that of he said was that parts of what he said was quite tough. i mean, was quite tough. i mean, he was talking about, um, deporting people, rescinding the visas of those who are protesting in an extreme manner. and also when it comes to suella braverman and lee anderson comments and on the far left as well , there is a far left as well, there is a suggestion that that sort of rhetoric does not help matters and is also divisive. kevin mur. >> it is. i mean, it struck me as slightly unusual, i think, when the prime minister um, comes out to the lectern at downing street, you kind of always expect the wo

jenrick or a suella braverman. i'm making, the but the point i'm making, the mps not going that mps are not going to allow that to happen. >> the point i'm is that >> the point i'm making is that we're too to actually we're now too late to actually do they've they've tried do that. they've they've tried this. they got rid of boris. do that. they've they've tried this. of ey got rid of boris. do that. they've they've tried this. of all, ot rid of boris. do that. they've they've tried this. of all, theyi of boris. do that. they've they've tried this. of all, they replaced him first of all, they replaced him with liz truss. that was a complete disaster. we had they had to have a coronation for rishi sunak because they were so desperate. so none of these things are actually going to help terribly. yes. there's going to be a debate in the tory party about whether about the heart soul the party, heart and soul of the party, whether they should go more. right, right. whether they should centrist . bear in should be more c

. >> , so suella braverman >> okay, so suella braverman then, like suella, then, i like suella, i likei like jacob jacob to run the party. >> yeah. i mean, do you think jacob's electable as a prime minister? you think would? minister? do you think he would? quite. my area. quite. well in my area. >> mean, he go down well >> i mean, does he go down well with working class with kind of working class people in the red wall? >> give an >> well, all i can give an example came up to my example is, he came up to my saint george's we have saint george's day. we have thousands and thousands of people it and people people attending it and people just up to asking just running up to him asking for but i mean, for his autograph. but i mean, i know, but there's a difference to be kind of famous than to be admired respected as a prime admired and respected as a prime minister. i'd minister. but but, i mean, i'd bnng minister. but but, i mean, i'd bring boris back tomorrow. camilla. been topping bring boris back tomorrow. canpoll. been topping the poll. >> are pi- >> well, are you in communication wi

that was a review, ordered by suella braverman at the time. was the home secretary.kling extremism, you've got to tackle the views and values and toxic social narratives. he said that the prevent scheme, which is sits alongside protect, which is the main one the home office do to keep us all safe. prevent, is a way talking to community way of talking to community leaders communities leaders and those in communities . more soft, soft influencing to try before try and talk to groups before they get radicalised. he was saying it wasn't working. money was being spent on targeting people trying people who actually were trying to status quo. so to maintain a status quo. so he's critical then of how he's been critical then of how money spent. so it money was being spent. so it seems to this individual is seems to me this individual is independent and does show possibly that the government is keen to get make some ground here. >> well, christopher, hope that's a really interesting exclusive report for us here on gb news. you very much for gb news. thank you very much for bri

and of course, suella braverman labelled these hate marches, didn't she? of the things that she said, which ultimately cost her her job as the home secretary. and certainly there'll be plenty of people up and down the country thinking that, this is not a good use of police resources and also very uncomfortable about some of the calls that you do hear at these marches, like from the river to the sea. palestine will be free now , there's lots will be free now, there's lots of people here who just want the war to stop. and quite often when you dig a little bit deeper about why they are here, there's not that much sympathy for , the not that much sympathy for, the hostages that were taken by hamas on october the 7th or indeed for israel . but of indeed for israel. but of course, these pictures of the atrocities in gaza are going all around the world. the united nafions around the world. the united nations are worried about famine. britain and other countries are dropping aid. and really, until there is a lasting ceasefire , it's difficult to see ceasefire, it's

lines of your suella braverman and your kemi badenoch. the sort of people that yourself and your former colleague lee anderson were, were, backing in your were, were backing in your heart. do you not think it's time to actually be properly conservative? again, loyalty is one thing, but you can be loyal as a ship sinks and where will it get you apart from the bottom of the sea? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean, we want to see migration want migration controlled. we want low i believe in things low taxes. i believe in things like personal freedoms. i don't like personal freedoms. i don't like telling people to what do or banning things all the time. and these are principles and these are the principles that we've joined the conservative party for. i joined because thatcher. because of margaret thatcher. that was very much my outlook on life now is rishi sunak a real conservative? yes, he is, i think he is. but if think absolutely. he is. but if you look at what he's had to deal with, we've had covid where we spent 400 billion. that is really, re

suella braverman they got the braverman said it.w they're agreeing. but in experience as a in terms of your experience as a jewish person, do you agree with this? yeah absolutely. >> and it's incredible. it's taken so long for people to catch up with it. >> but, i mean, the language, the people on protest , they the people on the protest, they call peace marchers. call it peace marchers. >> would classify >> right. and we would classify it as a hate march. well, for the people who are calling it a peace march, who these peace march, who see these placards with not kind of placards with not just kind of like anti—israel sentiment, like outright anti—semitism, like calling , saying jews run the calling, saying jews run the world, or people like calling for jihad, like, you know, forjihad, like, you know, people having flags of actual terrorist organisations that the police then pretend aren't, this stuff is hateful stuff. >> and the thing that i would say to those people is , well, say to those people is, well, where who of you is act