recently, the smithsonian institution in washington had a symposium on sufism, that included dervishesrom turkey. our guide was manjula kumar, a smithsonian program manager. >> there are stories about the origins of the whirling dervishes and one of the stories is rumi was walking towards, just walking down and he heard the call for prayer and he was so overwhelmed, he was almost in an ecstasy to hear the call for prayer that he started moving around and he called it a divine ecstasy. and since then his followers started making this whirling. it's creating an atmosphere to pray and it's an offering i think it's just a physical way of expressing this love for the divine and that's how they kind of twirl and in the whirling it becomes a meditation. it's an ecstatic state, but over the years it's become an art form. they do not call it a performance. i would not call it a performance. it is a spiritual offering. this became a symbol of believing in beyond religion, beyond the rituals, beyond the fundamental beliefs of islam. it continues to evolve, it continues to grow, but i want to just