so both my parents were already drawn to sufism, but members of sufism reoriented neither teach thato their children, nor do they expect their children to follow that path. so i had a very deep relationship with the spiritual director of sufism at the time and i felt very drawn to -- well, when i was a child, i felt very drawn to all the faiths. my parents opened the doors for us to attend any church, so we often visited with our friends on sunday worship that they went to. and i myself was very interested in buddhism, so i was studying that and my parents hardly supported that. as long as we were truthful to following our own faith. >> where were your parents from? >> my mother was from lebanon. my father also had lebanese heritage, but they were living in the united states. my mother was educated in washington, dc and my father in texas. >> okay. well, we are going to come back to your story and the sufism reoriented. >> thank you. >> glad you're here, both of you. >> thank you, ron. >>> please join us. . >>> welcome back to mosaic. we have been talking to terry and pascal about su