demonstrators cannot associate about creating a democratic political system with someone like suleyman because he is incapable of thinking of such terms. the patriarchal figure whether it is the father of the family or the nation, gives the rules. tunisian that the egyptians, the state must focus -- nest not for a -- focus on its strength but weakness. they don't want to destroy the strait so necessary to the functioning of the republic but make it the republican servant. not its master. removing criminals from the apex of state power will not change the fundamental relationship of state and citizens and only a legitimate political process replaces authority backward and permanent change. it cannot stop with ben callie and mubarak. . so long as he did as security police apparatus and heavily armed praetorian presidential guard no free and fair elections are possible. it will not be easy because egypt's institutions of physical life have been systematically destroyed. the liberation generation must learn from past generations the problem is not one man and his allies but a political sys

the question about elbaradei and that he is not ever in egypt and he is too pro-american and suleymanainted by his israeli ties and seen as an envoy for egypt. amamoussa is the man to watch. >> mubarak says he will give up this time in september. that is a long time. what do you think will happen between now and then? >> on very simple terms, investors who had taken all their money out last week will not come back until after the election. that is it the election goes well. the situation is too precarious. tourists, again, they probably will not want to risk it. it could be devastating for the people working around the pyramids or around the luxor and the hotels. it will be terrible for them. i fear for a campaign of purges or punishment for people who have spoken against mubarak, lawyers, judges, activists, and even journalists may be expelled or incarcerated or tortured. i think this protest has been a knee-jerk reaction to a community uprising and it may have happened eight months too early. >> do you think, in that case, that this momentum, the process, of the people will get tire

israel spoke out very loudly about it in and out my interpretation is that they want a mubarak lite suleyman which i can hardly can see could be lighted considering he has been involved in rendition in torture and all of these other nasty things to call under the rubric of the war on terror so you know if i'm going to come out i mean you know what what is this what is happening right now is there a lot of things going on behind the scenes to determine what the demat democratic path will egypt be because it'll be just a repetition of what we've seen western powers do over the last five decades. yes you would like to be for them to say that the so-called democracy in israel is killing. palestinians their mulching their houses building a warning between them. driving away the population even from jerusalem. killing the kind of ons in the international waters and this is democracy i don't know what the value is the most crazy has brought to such brutality is that they are doing and be killing children and women democracy means to live as well. the propaganda no no no no no let me let me let me a

seriously a peace process because mubarak was basically was they did what the the israelis wanted suleyman said he would cleanse all of the palestinians from from sinai and we. saying is if we get a truly democratic egypt it could actually be a more honest peace broker in the region is a very important country a democratic egypt fighting for the democratic rights and in civil rights and and human dignity of the palestinians actually might be a plus not a negative. absolutely. well it's certainly a plus for the palestinian people because i think that a democratically elected egyptian government would be more aligned with palestinian the palestinian struggle for for human rights and for for basic dignity and justice i think that you know mubarak has for the most part he's been a client of the us and israel and has done their bidding particularly and with. he's made egypt complicit in war crimes which have been perpetrated against the people of gaza including what john just went through and thank you for bringing that up because it is it is really a terrible horrible humanitarian situation th

every indication they want somehow to support suleyman and the army that's going to be the savior of stability egypt will keep its international obligations and you know what i'm talking about i mean it seems to me the democracy issue really isn't there they just they have this dilemma and they want it solved and they have one partner there and if there are good writing the dilemma is not merely the dilemma is not merely between people in the white house and state department who support democracy and those who want to promote stability what we're calling stability here but the idea is we don't know exactly what it looks like in egypt what sort of institutions are there i mean look you can certainly blame mubarak for tearing apart whatever sort of centrist opposition there might have been to him but the fact remains we don't know what there is without mubarak so i think this is part of the debate as well i think the white house definitely would like to find some sort of democratic keller's in the opposition where precisely they are we don't know and the evidence of that is they've loo

. >> does that mean suleyman with debt that? >> i do not know the particulars of how this would work. i would assume he would turn over more of his powers to omar suleiman to be able to direct the country and direct the reforms that hopefully will take place. if egypt and develop a timeline for political reform that leads to free and open elections -- if they can move in that kind of orderly process, it could have a positive effect with regards to that area. if, on the other hand, this turns in another direction, that coul affect not only the security of israel, but that of other nations. >> have you done any particular analysis of what the changes would need to israel? >> yes, we have. we will be happy to share with you in another forum. >> how would you assess the stability of the following governments -- saudi arabia, syria, and jordan? >> again, in open session, i am a little concerned about sharing specifics about any of these countries. i think it suffices to say that there are a number of countries in the arab world that

. >> does that mean suleyman with debt that? >> i do not know the particulars of how this would work. i would assume he would turn over more of his powers to omar suleiman to be able to rect the country and direct the reforms that hopefully will take place. if egypt and develop a timeline for political reform that leads to free and open elections -- if they can move in that kind of orderly process, it could have a positive effect with regards to that area. if, on the other hand, this turns in another direction, that could affect not only the security of israel, but that of other nations. >> have you done any particular analysis of what the changes would need to israel? >> yes, we have. we will be happy to share with you in another forum. >> how would you assess the stability of the following governments -- saudi arabia, syria, and jordan? >> again, in open session, i am a little concerned about sharing specifics about any of these countries. i think it suffices to say that there are a number of countries in the arab world that r

. >> does that mean suleyman with debt that? >> i do not know the particulars of how this would work. i would assume he would turn over more of his powers to omar suleiman to be able to direct the country and direct the reforms that hopefully will take place. if egypt and develop a timeline for political reform that leads to free and open elections -- if they can move in that kind of orderly process, it could have a positive effect with regards to that area. if, on the other hand, this turns in another direction, that could affect not only the security of israel, but that of other nations. >> have you done any particular analysis of what the changes would need to israel? >> yes, we have. we will be happy to share with you in another forum. >> how would you assess the stability of the following governments -- saudi arabia, syria, and jordan? >> again, in open session, i am a little concerned about sharing specifics about any of these countries. i think it suffices to say that there are a number of countries in the arab world that