. >> what sully sullen berger is doing -- sullenberger is doing. information online. search for jobs, student loans, social security and other benefits. it's where the government comes together. usa.gov. [ sirens ] >> that siren you hear is coming from the tesoro refinery in martinez. that's what's happening live right now as people who live in the areas of martinez, north concord and clyde are getting a warning to shelter in place as a result of flaring that's been going on for an hour and a half. we just spoke with pg&e. we have new information. we now know that the outage began at thety so vo refinery -- at the tesoro refinery. the shelter in place still stands. we'll stay on top of this breaking news situation and bridge you moyer information as soon as we get it. >>> the bay area's hero pilot, sully sullenberger, was in washington, d.c. speaking out against an faa proposal to change rules intended to reduce pilot fatigue. captain sul lun berger is famous for his miracle crash- landing in the hudson river. he had had just seconds to bring his plane into a safe wat

captain sullenberger is going it light it up. >> our own local hero!tain chelsea sully sullenberger flipping the switch this year doing the honors. even with the rain falling in the city of san francisco and the current air temperature of 48 degrees. you're able to see the fireworks display. >> it's the holidays! >> going on below the embarcadero center is the official opening of the holiday ice rink. it will stay open through january 2 rain or shine. around it's just lovely to be able to ice skate outdoors very close in proximity to that bay of water. i mean, what other community can boast that claim? 7:50 for7.50 for adults, 3.50 for kids and 3 bucks for the ice skates. a bargain. >> it's really raining out there. >> yeah, it is. that's why i'm here! [ laughter ] >> for the past 14 years, i have had the honor to be there and watch the official lighting. that's one of the best things i get to do all year long and this year we decided to keep me in-house so i can maneuver our live high-def doppler radar because, you know, you need a pilot's license in

. >>> and sully sullenberger from danville is on capitol hill this morning. why he's so concerned about changes by the faa. the moment you feel run down or achy nip flu-like symptoms in the bud, with oscillococcinum. get oscillo and feel like yourself again. oscillococcinum, nip it in the bud. >>> good morning. we had some overnight rain. still a few rain showers skirting the coast but overall, mostly sunny and breezy and cool as temperatures stay in the upper 60s to low 50s. here's dave. >>> thank you, steve. president obama arrived in south korea earlier this morning to attend a global economic summit. as ktvu's alison burns tells us now from our washington, d.c. newsroom, he's already on the defensive. >> reporter: that's right. president obama is facing two days of contentious talks about the economy. as he arrived in seoul, south korea for the g-20 summit, he faced intense criticism about recent steps by the federal reserve to try to stimulate the u.s. economy. some g-20 leaders say it had give the u.s. an unfair advantage. one german official called it

chesley sullenberger says pilots need to get through the airport faster. >> by removing them from the daily lines that passengers have to use, it is likely that will reduce their delays. >> reporter: but the songs of discontent against tsa is getting louder. an online revolt hopes to cripple airport traveling to deny the scan and demand a pat down. >> you have to have some kind of revolt to make changes. >> i guess i could understand it. if people believe in it that much. then it is a cool thing to do. >> reporter: tsa says there is intelligence on terrorist plots to evade security so the administration defends the new pat downs even on children but captain chesley sullenberger believes tsa has gone too far. >> my wife went through that pat down procedure and it is as it has been described. i would not consider it a groping but it certainly was moving of the hand up the leg until they meet resistance. >> the controversy over pat downs has gotten the attention of senator barbara boxer. she wrote a letter today asking tsa for what she calls a common sense approach to this. she says that

respond if you would to captain sullenberger. >> thank you, michael.y yesterday, we had a good discussion, and it's interesting that when i started in this position july 1 of this year, i brought a risk-based intelligence-driven approach to how we go about our job of trying to provide the best possible security. so i agree with many of the things that sully mentioned. the question is what is the best way of implementing some of this risk-based approach. i hope to have announcement about a good way forward as it pertains to the pilots in the very near future. >> i fear this is getting away from you on the basis of internet lore. i would love to break it down in a short time period and explain and separate some of the fact from fiction. give me the short version, what's the drill? i fly, i walk up, what's about to take place? >> so we have the advanced imaging technology in about 80 airports now. and if you go there and want to opt out of that machine you go through the walk-through metal detector and describe what we describe as a there patdown. you go

then at u 40, sully sullenberger joins us. he made headlines when he said flight crews should not be required to submit to body scans. >>> also new this morning, steven slater has a new gig. he signed a deal with a company that makes mobile communications applications. and he'll be judging a contest with them. air travelers are being asked to submit their craziest travel experiences on a plane and then slater will pick the best one. >>> emma watson turned a lot of heads last night at the new york premiere of "harry potter and the deathly hallows." when everybody stopped gasping about her new hairdo, she gave us a preview of the number seven in the series. >> it's more intense, more of an adult movie. pretty sad at times, scary at times. there's a part of it that feels like a horror movie or something. >> part two of the deathly hallows is due out next year. i guess people were so surprised about the haircut because contractually she hasn't been able to cut her hair in any different style. >> she went all in once she was able t

pistole, captain sullenberger made reference to risk-based.based means taking into consideration the commonalities of those who threaten the united states. i'm not going to use that dreaded "p" word because of all of the connotations. are we taking into consideration as we seek to prevent an attack the commonalities of those who would wreak havoc? >> we're trying to do everything possible by the latest intelligence to assure that the traveling public is safe. if intelligence says there is a group of individuals or specific individual obviously that's the best way to go. when we don't have that intelligence, we try to do a risk-based approach in saying what information do we know about the person, how can that help inform our judgments and actions. but we are moving forward in a risk-based perspective, i think there's more to come on that. but the pilots that we are talking about, i think is a first step, again, in terms of how do we best apply this approach. >> thank you for your time. appreciate it. when we return, why i'm no longer of use he

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so in burg sullenberger bemis landed his plane on the hudson, he had a 108 seconds to react. just momentmonths later, a crast killed 50 people. >> you do not hear about that many airplane accidents. when you do, it is to deal with fatigue. it is a major concern. >> we all need to get eight hours sleep to be fully alert. pilots need to be as alert and capable at the end of a long day as at the beginning. >> the proposed new rules raised a pilot's acceptable time in the cockpit to 10 hours per day. >> i do not want to be in a situation where pilots are not getting adequate rest they need for our safety. >> it has been 25 years since they have updated their rules. pilots tell us there could be decades ago by before they are revisited again. we contacted the faa for comments but no one returned our calls. >>> several surprising twist today during the chandra levy trial. the charges included attempted sexual assault. also today, an fbi forensic examiner testified that semen found in her underwear at her apartment came from former congressman, gary conduit. >>> ground-breaking toda

. >>> pilot so they -- sullenberger expressed concern about rules concerning pilot. he says that the rules would being more pilot fatigue. >>> president obama is aimed at south korea. they say that the purchase of bonds could drive down the dollar. the president said the fed is trying to grow the u.s. economy and is taking a shot at china for keeping currency low to benefit chinese exporters. >>> assistance are getting hammered following the latest earnings reports. the dow fell 12%. cisco earned $0.02 per share more than analysts expected but the company has lowered its revenue projections for the next quarter. both the dow and nasdaq closed with modest gains. there was a late rally and the nasdaq gained 15 points. >>> a group of former long-term employees sued triple a today. they say there is a statewide campaign to get rid of older sales agents beat together the employees have over 209 years of service. aaa says they are committed to diversity. it's been five is reviewing the lawsuit and is confident it will prevail in court. >>> 23,000 google employees will get

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on "mornings on 2" chesley sullenberger said implementing a program called "crew pat" would be better if they would very quickly verify the identity and current employment of working pilots. that would be much more effective. >> the tsa did make a clarification saying children under 12 years old would not have to undergo the pat-down but exemptions would not be given for passengers who refuse to be screened for religious reasons. >>> within the past hour house republicans and democrats ee investigated their new leaders and there's still change at the top. nancy pelosi won her bid to remain the top democrat in the house. boner will be the next -- phone err will be the next speaker of the -- boner err will be the next -- bohner will become the new speaker of the house. >>> we've just gotten word that meg whitman's undocumented housekeeper was awarded $5500 in back pages. gloria ail allred -- gloria allred appealed to whitman this morning before the meeting. >>> we say to meg whitman, it's never too late to do the right thing. you spent $143 million of your own money on your campaign. ho

. >>> sully sullenberger was in washington, d.c. to speak out against proposed new faa rules.e and other pilots oppose a new change in regulation that would increase the amount of time airlines can make pilots fly and shorten rest periods between flights. he was particularly critical of a recommendation to increase maximum flying time from eight hours to ten hours. >> one of the things that's in the proposal, unbelievably to me is the recommendation to increase by 25% the daily flying time pilots would be flying. i can tell you from personal experience and from my knowledge of the science. there are no data that show that flying more hours per day will decrease fatigue. >> suen berger became famous for safely landing flight 1549 on the hudson driver in new york city last -- hudson river in new york city last year. >>> let's check in with mark. pretty nice out there? >> that's right, tori. it look like we're settling into an extended period of dry weather. not much in the way of activity around the bay area. we have a few showers around cape mendocino. but that's about it. and

sully sullenberger, the pilot who landed on the hudson river. >> on the hudson. >> just a bit ago. unbelievable. trying to get more information for you here on cnn. getting information from my producers in my ear and we're checking with our sources as well. susan, this is a huge story. make sure you stay with us. we'll continue to follow this one. a problem with a delta airlines plane that was headed to moscow from jfk airport, and, boy, couldn't have happened at a worse time really because so many people now are starting to travel for the holiday season. that's what we're going to talk about. our jackqui jeras will be here o tell us where the weather is causing some travel delays. we want you to be a part of the conversation. we told you how you can help us out on this breaking news. if you have any video or pictures, go to ireport.com or look at any of the social media sites right there. we'll get it on the air and vet it first. we're back in a moment with breaking news and more. [ j. weissman ] it was 1975. my professor at berkeley asked me if i wanted to change the world. i sai

sully sullenberger has nothing to say about the new screening methods at american airports. >> reporter: flying what was famously advertised as the friendly skies. now a tsa agent's hand where most could never reach. >> we're going on an airplane. >> reporter: and a search preflight -- the result of it. sa's new rules in place just in time for the holiday, offering travelers an ultimate may tom. patdown or full body scan. >> these old bones can do it. >> reporter: the pilot's union saw the full body scan as too intrusive and increased exposure of radiation. today, tsa bowed to their challenge. >> it's very good news. >> reporter: captain chess lee sullenberger says pilots need to get through the airport faster. >> by removing tens of thousands of pilots from the daily lines that passengers have to use, it's likely that will reduce their delay. >> reporter: what tsa found is good for u.s. airways pilots is apparently not good for a u.s. airways flight attendant recovering from cancer. >> she put her full hand on my breast and said what is this? and i said it's a prosthesis, because i've

joining us right now captain sully sullenberger of the here e of the now miracle on the hudson flightd morning, good to be with you. >> i know you're in washington talking about pilots flying tired, fatigued. very important issue. what should the public know about this? >> well, they should know that it's an issue that directly affects everyone who travels, not just pilots but all our passengers. the current rest rules have not been updated in over a generation and right now the faa is in the process of updating those rules and it's very important that we get this change right because everyone who flies will be living with these new rules for decades to come. and some proposals in this new rule are good. some absolutely are not and are a giant step backward. one in particular, unbelievably to me is a proposal to increase to up to 25% the amount of time pilots would fly a day from eight hours of flying to ten hours of flying and i can tell you from my own personal experience and just from common sense that flying more hours per day is not the answer to solving pilot fatigue. >> i wonde

in on the new airport security measures that some travelers find offensive is captain chesley sullenberger reporter: tsa maintains the new pat down rules are intended to keep the flying public safe. but this is as far as our cameras can go. i can show you the cue but what i can't show you is the pat down procedure. in fact, this is the rule that all of the bay area airports. so we captured images and stories from other airports that it just may suggest why there is a growing revolt against tsa. in fact, even captain sully says tsa has gone too far. >> reporter: flying in the friendsly skies. now flying means a tsa agent's hand where most men likely could never reach. >> we are not entering the pentagon or any white house building, we are going on an airplane. >> reporter: and a consensus search preflight that most women would only give to their treating doctor. it is the result of tsa's new rules in place just in time for the holiday offering travelers an ultimatum. pat down or full body scan. >> these old bones could do it. >> but the pilot's union saw the full body scan as too intrusive

pilots, including captain sully sullenberger, you know him. you love him.a bad idea. >> good morning everyone, it's sunday, november 14th. newly elected members of congress arrive on capitol hill this morning to learn the ropes of d.c. politics. what they can expect in their crash course, plus, who is fighting for their attention? >> and the president just landed in the u.s., back from his tour of asia. but he has a tough battle waiting for him over push tax cuts. republicans won't budge on extending them for everyone, will there be that buzz word, compromise. >> growing outrage over full body scans at airports. it's not just passengers complaining, pilots including captain sully sullenberger, they think they're dangerous, too, we will hear from the u.s. earl pilots association next. "fox & friends" begins right now. ♪ good morning everybody, thanks for tuning in and joining us, and in washington d.c., the beltway is going to have some more residents and new members on capitol hill and it's a very interesting freshman class because obviously, this was a his

even sully sullenberger. the radiation is hurting you, but like john hopkins said there is no health risk. it's this big huge thing. >> the government also told tus air at ground zero was safe. people are skepticalle. >> your conversation with mr. pistole will be interesting. pistole. >> mr. postal runs the post office. >> maybe you didn't realize they were gone but congress is back in session this morning and if you're hoping to see your elected officials rolling up their sleeves and taking on the tough issues, you might need to lower your expectations. >> this is a lame duck session, a lot of lawmakers already have one foot out the door. and dana bash live on capitol hill where the incoming crop of freshmen members of congress arrived on the buses you see. >> just arrived. you can probably see them departing there. one bus just showed up. a sixth bus, that's how many came because that's how large this freshman class is. needed six buses. it will abvery long day of orientation. john, they are going to learn

. >>> captain sullenberger is the author at the highest duty. what is the highest duty?>> it is to do the best we can to take care of each other and as a captain of course the passengers are my first responsibility but my book is more than just about that even the of january 15th, 2009 and the hudson river landing. it's more than my life, it is a preparation for it. i had to have an insightful survey of my life and the important events and the people with me that day that helped me synthesize a lifetime of experience is like never seen before. a lot of my crew. so i think finding one passion early in life, being diligent and working hard to become expert leads to a purposeful life full of passion and i think that's what helped me more than anything else that day on the river. >> so what led you to write the book? was at the landing in the hudson river? >> absolutely that was a certain part of it. i think much of the book was already in me. my life story. but that was the impetus, it was a story that needed to be told i needed to make sure i could tell it through my eyes.

chesscy sullenberger thinks we should explore other methods especially when it comes to screening pilotsother personnel. thank you for joining us. >> good morning, tori. >> now, you are clearly opposed to this heighten security for airline personnel, including pilots but isn't there a concern about a possible loophole for terrorists being able to screen in that way? >> no, because we already have the means to use it, to very quickly very fi the identity and current employment status of current pilots and that would be much more effective than the second screening. it's really not a smart, not an efficient use of our screening resources when pilots are already the last line of defense for the partner and requested partners in this important initiative. >> you have access to the biggest weapon there is, which is the plane itself. >> absolutely. it's much more important to identify the identity and working -- to identify the identity an working status. >> what about the health of -- the health and the privacy? do you think that's still necessary for passengers? >> i'm not going to get into

. >> ten, nine, eight -- >> reporter: sully sullenberger led the crowd in the countdown. himself no stranger to water. >> three, two, one, zero. [ cheering ] >> the lighting of the buildings were just spectacular. >> fireworks were great. the kids loved it. >> reporter: fireworks capped a challenging day. >> we were hoping to get some pony rides in and see frosty. >> reporter: the rain held off as the towers rolled out pony rides, a petting zoo, and of course rudolf. >> when you're done with skating, looking a the lighting of the buildings, come on up and we're ready to sell to you. >> reporter: but this afternoon a power outage dimmed businesses and caused the skating rink to soften. later rain kept performers off the ice. >> we were here last year too and got to see the skaters. watching those lights go on, that's what you want to see. >> while the lights are lit, you can feel the holidays are here. there's a sense of celebration, camaraderie, it's about family time. >> are landing lights; right? >> reporter: more than 17,000 lights, all energy saving l.e.d. this is mor

. >>> miracle on the hudson pilot captain sully sullenberger returns to washington. >>> we're getting a closer look at a plan to renovate the national mall. >> kristin fisher joins us from the mall to show us what's included in the extensive plan and a pretty big price tag. >> this is a major, multimillion dollar project that will likely be taking place over the next several years. now the bad news is of course, that in the short-term, this means it would likely foreclose traffic in the area around the national mall. but the good news is that this plan would likely create some jobs in the area, which is good news in this tough economy. it'd also make the mall a better and more beautiful place to be. it will actually decrease traffic in the area. one can certainly hope so. interior secretary ken salazar signed off on this plan yesterday afternoon, right outside the jefferson memorial. it's been a plan that's been years in the making. it's described as a blueprint for improving our nation's front yard. the focus is on improving the national mall for pedestrians. it's about protecting ou

. >> ten, nine, eight -- >> reporter: sully sullenberger led the crowd in the countdown. himself no stranger to water. >> three, two, one, zero. [ cheering ] >> the lighting of the buildings were just spectacular. >> fireworks were great. the kids loved it. >> reporter: fireworks capped a challenging day. >> we were hoping to get some pony rides in and see frosty. >> reporter: the rain held off as the towers rolled out pony rides, a petting zoo,and of course rudolf. >> when you're done with skating, looking a the lighting of the buildings, come on up and we're ready to sell to you. >> reporter: but this afternoon a power outage dimmed businesses and caused the skating rink to soften. later rain kept performers off the ice. >> we were here last year too and got to see the skaters. watching those lights go on, that's what you want to see. >> while the lights are lit, you can feel the holidays are here. there's a sense of celebration, camaraderie, it's about family time. >> those are landing lights; right? >> reporter: more than 17,000 lights, all energy saving l.e.d. this i

here's the take of chesley sully sullenberger, the u.s. airways pilot who saved his crew and passengers when he was forced to ditch his plane in the hudson river in january of last year. >> as a matter of fact, my wife and i traveled just recently and she underwent such a screening where she was touched in sensitive places. but i can tell you again from my perspective as an airline pilot for over three decades that this just isn't an efficient use of our resources. >> all right. now there's an interesting argument. it's not an efficient use of our resources. that is not necessarily the argument that is taking root in certain corners of america. i want to bring in josh levs following this very closely. because there's a real ground swell movement against what the tsa is doing. and that's not the argument they're using. what are they saying? >> what they're saying and a lot of people are upset about the advance imaging technology and they feel it's too invasive, intrusive. there's a website called optoutday.com. there's another one here that

captain sullenberger said it best, when they should be trusted partners.program. secretary napolitano announced a program is scheduled to be implemented. we have to understand that what we're dealing with here is the human factor of terrorism. there's a human element that can't be ignored. >> do you think on the flip side of this, we've got a nation of people overreacting. they would not be pleased if some of these bombs or devices somehow were managed to get on to an airplane. obviously, the tsa is trying to keep flying safe. >> absolutely, savannah. security and safety is paramount and i don't know if the level of complaints are really as significant as they're being portrayed here. the vast majority based on polling, people are supportive of measures to keep themselves safe. but again, there are going to be people that are upset. i think it's important here that people become part of the process. i'm not suggesting they don't voice displeasure. procedures seem to be inappropriate or if they are placed in situations that are compromising, but i don't kno

aviation since captain sullenberger said we're going to be in the hudson.ur number one story tonight, "if you touch my junk, i'll have you arrested" the plea and warning from unhappy san diego passenger john tyner about the choice between the full-body scan and the way up too close and personal hand inspection. tonight our number one story, why are we doing this? why are we doing this and all of these other remarkably stupid and ineffective invasions of privacy when nations with nearly perfect records against would be aviation terrorists do not? nations like israel? my next guest is an expert on their air security. first new developments in what appears to be the tsa's losing battle to keep both full-body screening and feeling up passengers alive. tsa administrator john pistole this morning testified and naturally used the worst possible cliche. the bottom line is we need to provide the best possible security. pistole did insist the story of the 3-year-old being patted down is an urban legend. he then added, am i going to change the policies? no. two pilots

chesley "sully" sullenberger receiving the neil armstrong medal of excellence, he told the crowd it waswould be in the same sentence, he received a masters in industrial psychology from purdue in 1973. texas: a different approach to parking in death downtown fort worth. the city swapping coin meters for a credit card based system. >> swipe it and add time by pushing the blue button. >> julie: rates remain the same, however officials saying the new meters are a way to generate extra revenue. michigan: a group is suddenly filthy rich after claiming a $129 million jackpot. the winning powerball ticket purchase at a detroit area porn shop and the recipients planning on how to use the cash. >> a huge portions will go to the church. >> reporter: that is not the only winner, a $140 million mega millions jackpot was purchased at a convenience store in gladstone, and that is the fox watch across america. >> julie: facebook is back after a temporary shut down in an entire country, what caused the social network to go dark? find out coming up. and we know about some of the most famous names that c

>> shep, also worth pointing out that charles sullenberger, the hero pilot of the miracle on the hudson flight says these body scanners are, quote, a waste of tsa resources. >> shepard: a lot of analysts have said just that. now some body scan images are showing up on the internet? >> yeah, these showing up on the tech blog guess mode doe. we are not going to show them for obvious privacy reasons. they were taken at a scanner at federal courthouse in florida and improperly kept by u.s. marshals operating that scanner. the obvious concern here, despite what the t.s.a. says about those images not being saved at airports that there f. there are unscrupulous operators, they may be, shep. >> shepard: jonathan, lawmakers on capitol hill today also asked the t.s.a. boss about the now infamous "junk" touching incident that a man recorded on his cell phone, look. >> shepard: jonathan, there was original tal talk that that passenger might face a big fine. >> that fine could have been up to $10,000. the t.s.a. chief speaking on "studio b" today said that is unlikely. listen. >> congressman gave th

just ask sully sullenberger, the pilot that landed that plane on the hudson river last year.els the frustration, simmering, pointing out on "american morning" that pilots are the last line of defense in the air and that brings us to this morning's "a.m. extra." >> we have the technology now to avoid much of this waste of time and delay. we have the means now to through bio metrics identify pilots and flight attendants as working crew members and verify the current employment status. really, there's no need to go through these things. >> the argument suspected just with the body scanners. are you suggesting why are flight crews going through scening at all? >> well, there certainly needs to be an acknowledgment we are trusted partners. you know, many of us are former military officers who formally had top-secret clearances. we have been though roly screened and vetted throughout the years and we continue to be. we're among the most scrutinized professional groups in the country, even more than doctors. it is not 'efficient use of the resources to put us through this. there's m

pilots, lawsuits out there, and even sully sullenberger has spoken out about this. say today to calm all this outrage? >> reporter: i doubt it. having served in the white house in the prior administration, when you are trying to catch up to the story, you have lost it. the problem government typically has is they institute these measures after there's been some attempted attack, and the american people sort of think that the government fails the common sense test. if this was necessary, why weren't you doing it before, and if you're going to do it, why don't you explain to me how this reduces the threat and protects me before you institute it? so here we are. they instituted the procedures and used the back scatter and now they're trying to catch up to the story and explain it to people after we see the horror story like you showed. there is a real aviation threat. al qaeda is obsessed with using airplanes as a means of attack. they do need to use the measures. it the people standing at the checkpoints aren't reviewing the images. they have done what they can with t

prominent pilots including the heads of the unions and also sully sullenberger, the famous pilot, hasing about these new security procedures. >> he's officially been saying, look, you're handing us the biggest weapon you could possibly hand us in the sky, why do i need to be doing through the pat-downs and the full body screening like everyone else when you're entrusting me with a plane? >> exactly. they say we are partners in security. many pilots have been trained to use firearms in the aircraft. they're saying come on, guys, we're with you, not against you. can't we work on a better way so we don't have to go through these machines and through the pat-downs? they've been particularly concerned about the machines because they traveled so, so much and there is still as you know a very active debate about the radiation levels in the body scanning machines and they voiced concerns because they have to go through them so often and get exposed to radiation when they're up in the air. >> news just in from the tsa. jeanne meserve, thanks for sticking around. appreciate it. >> you bet. >>>