i wrote the only annika's brief in that case, summum i thought that the boundary between public speech and not public speech in this context was much murkier than the court had it, and it's not clear that this is really the government speaking. is a hybrid category. of the cases have been cited in different ways. as to your larger point about the drafting committee, we did have several groups participate all throughout. and some groups have distinguished operation. bachus, my own organization, americans united adl, so it's not as if those points of view were not -- my recollection is they participate to large parts of the drafting process. >> yes. and if you look at the list of the signers, you can see there is a jeremy who was foreman with the aco you, judy shafer, -- >> i members of those organizations. i think you might get different results. >> my point is i think you might get a different result if you accepted nonbelief groups like the american human association. like freedom from religion foundation, like american 80s. thank you. >> if what you're doing is actually stating the l