but there is a lot of resolve that the islamic state should not run sunni iraq. that's really what it's going to come down to as other guests have said. changing the factor on the ground you can bomb these people, but until someone on the ground challenges them then these jihadists are going to run sunni iraq. we need more secular leaning iraqis to challenge them. >> does the establishment of a new government in baghdad help in what christian just described? >> it does help in measure if you're talking about iraq. but the thing is in terms of international cooperation. this has been a big part of the problem. and one reason why the obama administration has been very reluctant to get involved. i don't agree with the president's policy but you have to acknowledge he has not been dealt a very good hand in terms of partners in the region. the countries and saudis have not agreed with one another. they've funded different parts of the rebels which have kept those rebels fractured. a number of gulf states do not have tight counter threat finance controls. a lot of priv

, which is considerable, about six million people -- until and unless the sunni population of iraqop siding with isis, stop siding with a sunni army -- >> who are they supposed to side with? a government that is exactly like the government they used to have. it took nouri al-maliki and made him the vice-president. the same bunchciy9 of people, te same ideas. it's a disaster. >> well, look, the jury is still out. i wouldn't rush to conclusions. initial signs, as you say, certainly aren't positive. but, look, the sunnies in iraq have to know -- have to have confidence that their future -- >> but they don't. >> is being looked after. >> if they don't have that confidence, but they don't have a government that gives them that confidence. they didn't have that confidence. we inept there last time. when they stood up and sew can stand down and now we're gifting involved in a civil war, that we clearly do not understand, and we don't have a government to back up anything if anything we do goes right, who is going to keep ill right? nobody. bashar al-assad on one side and nouri al-maliki a

but there is a lot of resolve that the islamic state should not run sunni iraq. that's really what it's going to come down to as other guests have said. changing the factor on the ground you can bomb these people, but until someone on the ground challenges them then these jihadists are going to run sunni iraq. we need more secular leaning iraqis to challenge them. >> does the establishment of a new government in baghdad help in what christian just described? >> it does help in measure if you're talking about iraq. but the thing is in terms of international cooperation. this has been a big part of the problem. and one reason why the obama administration has been very reluctant to get involved. i don't agree with the president's policy but you have to acknowledge he has not been dealt a very good hand in terms of partners in the region. the countries and saudis have not agreed with one another. they've funded different parts of the rebels which have kept those rebels fractured. a number of gulf states do not have tight counter threat finance controls. a lot of priv

iraq. and syria. 80 people in syria are sunni. maybe more, like 25%, 20% in iraq. are sunni. >> the question is where are those people and how can you move the politics to get them. all the bombs in the world won't do that. >> uh-huh. it was a diplomatic coup getting the arab nations to cooperate. so perhaps we now have some leverage and clout in that world and get them, the, these five arab nations to again contribute on the politics side. >> very, very good point. very important point. i will emphasize though, that the country that has influence with the government, two governments we talk about. iraq and syria. is actually iran. it's not so much saudi arabia, jordan. and yet we don't talk very much to iran. >> tomorrow, so important. you are a busy man. tomorrow you have the interview. today you interviewed chelsea clinton. she had this to say. then we well talk about it. >> chelsea, i have to ask you -- you are somebody who has, knows a great deal about medicine, about health, why did you decide you didn't want to know the sex of your baby? >> there are so few m

the sunnis in iraq to fight sunni fighters in iraq it is going to be saudi arabia, so regardless of past, the secretary of state simply has no choice. he has to convince saudi arabia to do this. he has to work with iran, because iran have the only fighters inside iraq who are already fighting the islamic state. so basically the u.s. has no choice. the u.s. cannot be seen as fighting the flash of civilizations. it cannot be seen on any kind of solely adventure in the middle east. it needs saudi backing, all of the sunni backing, and it needs to work a little bit with shia iran otherwise this is not going to work. >> nick schifrin for us in jerusalem. >>> america is getting ready to target russia's big oil companies. and the midterm elections are right around the corner, so why aren't the candidates speaking more on the economy? that and story and more as "real money" continues. keep it here. ♪ >>> the number of americans filing for unemployment benefits rose last week to a two-month high. first time jobless claims rose by 11,000 to 315,000. that was the most since the end of june. th

there is nothing in the plan -- this is the crucial lapse -- that really will get the sunnies in sunni iraq to rise against the is. they're not going to trust the baghdad government which is dominated by shiites. there is a couple fundamental problems with the plan. >> you were saying they can't survive depending solely on the backs of the shiite government, not to be trusted. >> that's right. we forget that they were betrayed, the sunnies when the surge came in 2007, when we put down the insurgency. a big part was enlisting sunnies to turn on other sunnies. as we with drew, we moved them from our payroll to the baghdad government and he in turn persecuted them. he didn't follow through on his promises. he was not inclusive. now we're asking these very same people to once again trust that dysfunctional baghdad government and meanwhile, they're surrounded by the is. they look at their funny, they're dead. there is mo real mechanism in place just yet to get them funds and money. if we're just saying we'll get you some help now, but then turn on them and we'll set you up later, that's not goin

interests intersect, what about the sunni concerns, because one could say that the is groups move into vacuums, whether it was in iraq or syria, when the sunnis rebelled and felt oppressed and under represented by the ram eems, have any of the sunni concerns been met. >> i think that the problem or the successes of is was based on marginalizing of sunni in iraq. that's why the grander strategy of obama has military dimension, and political. here is the role of the new prime minister in order to, you know, form new government, so this is preparing the ground for the political level, containing and hitting center graf itties of the is for the future. is the solution near, i don't think some. >> can the group be defeated by, you know, this sort of international coalition, or will it alienate sunnis, pushing some into the arms of sunnis. >> if you head to i.s.i.s., it's not sunni and iraq. you have tribes - if you hit them, you create a good political environment and sharing power and the wealth of iraq between the sunni and the shia. maybe we'll go into a good process for political solution. however, we see like the fig

out and as i noted in my testimony, the reaching out to the sunni tribes through an inclusive representative, functioning government in iraq, is -- is a start. generalal len's relationships will help. general austin's relationships, relationships of other coalition partners in the area, especially arab, sunni countries, that are a part of the coalition will be critically important to this. this cannot be seen as a u.s., western effort against any component of the muslim world or islam, sunni versus shia, so it's all of those working together, as we go forward in this coalition to get once again the sunni tribe leadership and buy-in, and as i noted in my testimony to what we're doing, one of the most fundamental parts of that is the evolution, and development of a government in iraq that the sunnis trust and have some confidence in, that begins to unite that country, and as you defined it in your opening statements, much of the maliki government did everything but that the last five years and brought -- >>> as and secretary hagel talks about efforts to strengthen a coalition government, we want to bring you up to date on so

the sunnis are definitely afraid of being wiped out by the shia militia in iraq. they are almost as afraid of that as they are of isis. we have to reassure the sunnis in iraq that they can work with us to push isil out. >> the main thing is defeating this enemy, but there is this issue of aggression approval. a key observer of this. it seems to me that the president is not going very far in saying he will fight for a resolution. he will take support, but he believes he can do this with no approval from congress. congress seems divided. there will be a lot of commentary on what congress says. does it matter at this point? not matter.ew does i hope the congress embraces this in some way. the worst thing i think right now would be a divisive history on it, a congressional debate on this to no end, so -- >> putting resources towards getting the resolution they want and passing it? >> i don't know what the state of play is between the congress and the white house. if the white house can get either a funding resolution or an arm and equip resolution without a lot of dram

iraq may be cobbled together and maintained in some shape or form but a shiite in the south and sunni iraq in the middle and maybe ice sis and the kurdicish regions of iraq are gone and i think exactly right. iraq as we know it is gone. john: john, did you want it say something? >> if you look at the rhetoric, vice president biden talking about following isil to the gates of hell and talk about destroying isil, this rhetoric which is to answer the political need that sends a vengeance that has come after these two beheadings is to meet the rhetorical need of that sense of vengeance but all the policy we've been talking about is much slower. much more complicated. and that's this tension that's here. between trying to show that the administration is doing something. and the actions which will not -- john: so the words are on the tip of the skiss and the body is back? >> way back. and there's just -- that's not going to get resolved and you have all of these democratic candidates trying to feed that energy in the public. so they're saying they're not moving fast enough. they're not moving fa

sunnis have few alternatives in iraq and syria. the leadership has pushed them to the sidelines of the political process for years, and i so has been recruiting young sunnis to the fight. it views itself as the new leader of the global jihadist movement. it operates the most significant propaganda machine of any extremist group. it disseminates timely and media content on multiple platforms, including social media, all designed with widespread following in the group. to tout itsedia military capabilities, its execution of captured soldiers, and its consecutive number of battlefield victories. the group's supporters have more recently sustained the momentum on social media by encouraging attacks in the united states and against u.s. interests in retaliation for our airstrikes. it uses propaganda campaign to bring foreign fighters to the group, including many western -- from western countries. qaeda is the dominant voice of influence in the global extremist movement. today, isil has more than 10,000 ,ighters, it controls much crossroa

sunni communities. representing themselves as liberators, isis would shake iraq's shi'ite government dominated forces out of 1/3 of the country. but there arrival has turned into what many now see as a foreign occupation with an extremist ideology most sunnis do not believe in. while the battle against the extremists is currently being led by iraq, shia and kurdish military with the support of u.s. air strikes, everyone knows that to ultimately degrade and destroy isis, the sunni population must oppose them. this took place back in 2007, when sunni tribal leaders, backed by the americans, turned on al qaeda with the sons of iraq. but they claim they were later double-crossed. >>. >> translator: we kicked out al qaeda in 2007. what was the use? we cleaned iraq to have it given to iran. if iran is kicked out, we'll kick isis out. >> he believes iran is behind iraq's shia militia, at war with the sunnis. he says the only way to rebuild trust is for the new iraqi government to return more power to his people. >> if they don't give rights to sunnis in iraq, it is not worth it for us to fight against isis. >>

sunnis in iraq, sunnis outside iraq. so that coalition will take a lot of work.t i think that people are sensitized now to the fact that important things are at stake. a quarter of iraq is controlled by this group and i think this will shake some sense into countries that have wanted to have it both ways until now. >> but can it shake enough sense into them that any of their governments might produce human beings to fight this group, along with, say, this iraqi army which in theory we might be able to help train and prop up in some way. >> that's fair question. i'm not sure. i'm so optimistic about that. if you look at jordan, they have to take care of themselves. >> amen. >> they're a front of-line state. they have some serious potential threats, hundreds of thousands of syrian refugees, they have to monitor those refugees for possible sympathizers for isis and worry about threats contributionly to king abdullah. so i'm not sure we can expect them to do more than protect their own country, but if they do that well that's a big asset for us. kurdistan, same sort

iraq. and this is a fight in these sunni areas of iraq. re seeing is that the sunni tribes that played a big role several years ago in helping the united states force out al qaeda and iraq, those sunni tribes have not yet gotten off the sidelines. they have not really joined this effort in part because they're still quite suspicious of this new government. as always, there is a great deal of blood by the tribes who feel deceived and abused by the central government in baghdad who suspect it is in connection with the groups. and the political problem, until you build that credibility is solved it is very hard to get them engaged in the war effort. so you see iraqi army units operating in areas like anbar that are really kind of isolated behind enemy lines. because the population is now with them. >> and we've seen iraqi military units being abandoned in the face of their forces. ben, i know you spoke to one kurdish official about the central iraqi army. what did he tell you? >> he said there really is no iraqi army. that their experience is

the sunnis in iraq. and it's the reason many of them have gone over to isis. but you have the same thing in north africa and syria, through the the middle east. >> another view is that the so-called islamic state group is the iraqi government's fault. that it arose only recently as a result of that government's failure t to be more inclusive. eliminating the sunni population within the country. they have cracked down on hundreds of thousands of iraqis as part of a government protest. and hundreds of protesters were killed then. the prime minister, maliki, said that terrorists were among the demonstrators. and the islamic state group emerged from those same towns and cities. >> the root cause in iraq is one that has to be addressed, and that really is a challenge. with the previous iraqi government under prime minister maliki, the kurds felt disenfranchised. and they were. and now with the new prime minister, he said that they will be included. it's going to be a challenge to get the sunni tribes in western iraq to first trust the new central government. >> but

iraq and sir. i can't i.s.i.s. feasts off the suffering of sunnis in syria primarily as well as the grievances of sunnis in iraq. >> countries such as iran and the united states or possibly syria, iran, united states, russia, saudi arabia may have to coordinate their policies. we have been on opposite sides of proxy wars but now when an enemy emerges that's an enemy to one and all you may have to put aside preferences and work together in a limited fashion. >> and look to elections for mark halperin and john heilemann. >> can the democrats do enough targeted messages from the president, vice president, clintons and others to remake the electorate in some of the rails where voters don't usually vote -- younger, african-american, asias, hispanics, women -- turn out to vote in a mid-term, that's hard to do. on the republican side, the strategists will tell you they don't think they can live up to running against the other party unless they can appeal to social issues. social issues not in their favor in most cases. foreign policy, a lot is going on, but a lot of republican strategists aren't saying we'll win it on for

sunnis. isil's leader has been a leader inside iraq, recognized for the most part iraq's huge sunni population has been ignored and purposely excluded in iraq's mal arch ki-led government. and the sunni tribe not affiliated with isil that have dug in for the long haul and exist in key provinces in iraq. it is to america's peril if we miscalculate and fail to understand their importance. it is to america's peril if we underestimate who the enemy is, what isil is fighting for and against and what it will take to defeat isil. never place our military between two warring fractions is legged end dare and lethal. if america is pulled into a civil war on the lands of iraq and syria with having taken sides, we will be on the wrong side of history. our military has already lost over 6,000 americans with 50,000 more brave wounded or incapacitated. our nation has spent over a trillion dollars training iraqis to defend their own nation but lieges that our government trained tore off their uniforms and fled. it is not disputed that an important reason for this is the former prime minister of iraq weakened

you do have to address those root causes, the disenfranchis disenfranchisement of the sunnies in iraqas why then have gone over to the islamic state group. >> reporter: the result of that government's failure to be most inclusive. last year's crackdown on hundreds of thousands of iraqis that took part in anti government protests. hundreds of protesters were killed then. nouri al-maliki called wha are what he called terrorist were among the demonstrators. >> reporter: the root cause in iraq has to be addressed. that's really has to be developed. you new prime ministerialed a bayy said they'll have to move in closer. first to trust the new central government. >> reporter: the i.s. reach is not only in iraq and extends well into syria. international powers, particularly the u.s. have called to come up with ideas to deal with the group in the future. >> germany said it will join the fight against the islamic state group but will not participate in airstrikes. germany is providing military aid to kurdish fighters. as we mentioned secretary of state john kerry was in occur at this hoping to

the disenfranchisement of the sunnis in iraq is a huge reason why many of them have gone over to isis reporter: another view is that the islamic state group is the fault of the iraqi government over its failure to be more inclusive. as well as crackdown on hundreds of thousands of protesters. many were killing during the crackdown. within a month after the islamic state emerged in those very same towns and cities. >> it really is a challenge with the previous iraqi government, the sunnis and the kurds felt disenfranchised and in fact they were. the prime now says with the new government that it will be inclusive. this will be a challenge to get the sunni tribes there in western iraq, first to trust the new central government. >> reporter: but the i.s. reach now extends well into syria. yet until now it appears that the international powers have failed to come up with a plan on how to combat the group's presence in syria. many fear dealing with the group only from a military perspective will only create more problems in the future. >>> the european union has enacted more sanctions on r

root causes for the creation of al-qaeda this iraq and now in 2014 for the creation of the islamic state have not gone away. there is grievance from sunnisional problems allowing the creation of groups like al-qaeda in iraq. so if you beat them militarily those root causes still exist and i talked to the americans 3-4 years to get al-qaeda from iraq and back then it's likely it will take something similar with this group unless something changes in the policies and not what we hear from the paris conference or the international community. >> that conference in paris due to wrap up in an hour or so so we will learn more them, for the time being thanks very much. ukraine defend minister says they are nighting rebels in the east and have dozens of prisoners in donetsk and fighting is continuing in the city despite a ceasefire deal reached this month, more than 3,000 people died since the conflict began in april. in sweden the leader of the social democrats declared victory sunday and the left coalition have not won enough seats to form majority government and from stockholm. >> reporter: lead by the social democrats and partners between par

the risk is the sunni population in iraq will be face the with another awakening and whether - whether they can convince the sunni population to lay down arms and join with americans to beat back al qaeda. they were not given space, time and room to be part of the iraqi security forces. >> it's a lot of pressure for a new government. >> it's not that new. the previous governor, nouri al-maliki, is involved, and the posts have not been decided. nouri al-maliki is the deputy prime minister right now. we don't know who the minister of defence is, who the minister of interior is. until we see how the dust settles on the iraqi government, we are not going to now how things will be built up internally to fight the threat. >> we'll take orders, coordinating the additional soldiers from the united states, they'll be embedded to help with air strikes, we have to make sure they are aligned. >> they need more than training and equipment, they need people. so perhaps they can get other moderat moderates. i don't know how they'll take them off line, from a battle, and train them. >> how do you vet

the risk here is that yet again the sunni population in iraq is going to be faced with another awakening. whether they choose to agree this time as they did last time you remember the u.s. military managed to convince many of the sunni population and the insurgents in particular to lay down their arms and join with the americans to actually beat back al qaeda in iraq. but how ultimately they were not given space and time and room to be part of the iraqi security forces. >> that seems to put a lot of pressure on a brand-new government. >> it's technically not that brand influence. the guy who is in charge is from the same party as nouri al-maliki, the previous prime minister. all those posts have not been decided yet. nouri al-maliki is a deputy prime minister now. we don't know who the minister of defense or the minister of interior is, until we see how the dust settles on the iraqi government we don't know how it's built up internally to fight this threat. >> mike we have to rely on a government that hasn't quite been built yet it sounds like. >> yes, and from the military perspective t

more importantly, the sunni population of iraq has not seen it yet. bombs,ime the u.s. rops it is perceived as one more indication that nothing has changed, that sunnis in iraq will soon be the target of the shia and kurdish forces backed by the u.s. and now perhaps other regional and international governments as well. the funding ofp, isis and the u.s. relationship to saudi arabia. why you think this is key, and if the pressure were brought in would you feel is the right way, there would not have to be any bombing. >> saudi arabia is the source of the largest amount of money, from what reports are indicating, that is going to isis as well as a host of other organizations, the l nusra front. some of it comes from the government, although that has not been confirmed, but this is a very tightly controlled society where if there was an interest the government in stopping its own citizens, whether saudi princes or ordinary print -- people, who are a huge amount of the money funding these organizations including isis, it could be contained. the saudi government has been eager

the sunni, shia, and foreigners, it is not inclusive. you can't pick iraq and leave these people, who are these other governments who have been the provider of fighters, of money, ideology, to isis and al nusra and others. this is not about syria and iraq alone. it's about turkey, jordan and the gulf countries. they have to change, and their structures in order to solve these this problem. >> joshua, if the obama administration pulls this out in some form because it may last until after he's done being president, does it put the wind at the back of the united states in working out some regional settlement? >> absolutely. i mean, this is going to define the legacy of the obama administration. i think by going in the way he has. he came in as president, he opposed the war in iraq. now he has gone back into iraq. how do we end that conflict? as you pointed out there are many conflicts across the middle east. they all stem from lack of leadership in the region. if the united states is going to put its flag down not in terms of territorial, but bring our friends

iraq. >> what is isis afraid of? are they afraid of troops on the ground? >> isis is afraid that sunnisyria and iraq had turn against them. i think you can see that in an event that just ham here in the last 24 hours. there was a major, what appears to any way be a suicide attack on the leaders of a major syrian rebel group. it doesn't have much in common with the united states but it is a major competitor with isis. they have already assassinated several leaders of the organization over the past year and it sure looks like someone is trying to get rid of any opposition that would present a challenge to them or would present any avenue for outside actors to try to gain a foot hold against isis. i think part of the problem is, in terms of social mead. we don't know what we should put this out. it was put out the other day for people in iraq and syria and it is trying to scare them by saying they're into we headings a and crucifixions and things like that. but people are rallied by this. they think this is great. trying on dissuade people from joining isis by saying they behead people, th

this will be a challenge to get the sunni tribes in iraq first to trust the new central government. >> reporter: but the i.s. reach is not limited to iraq and now extends into syria. for now it appears the international powers have failed to come up with a plan to combat the group's presence in syria. many fear dealing with the i.s. group solely from a military perspective will only create similar movements in the future. al jazeera. >> germany said it will join the fight against the islamic state group but it will not participate in airstrikes. it is already providing military aid to kurdish fighters. today the defense military announced it will send more weapons to iraq and will send 40 paratroopers to iraq on how to train fighters and how to use the equipment. the turkish government has not embraced plans by the u.s. or middle east nations. >> reporter: secretary kerries kerryy's trip ha, announced $500 million, and secretary kerry and u.s. officials trying to remind people that that is a huge issue at the same time dealing with the islamic state group militarily, and when it comes

retired general john allen, who during the iraq war work with sunnis in iraq as they fought to reclaim their committees from terrorists, will serve as our special envoy to help build and coordinate our growing coalition. today every american can be proud of our men and women in uniform who are serving. when our airstrikes help break the siege of the iraqi town, one kurdish fighter on the town said it would have been absolutely impossible without the american planes. one resident of that city said, "thank you, america." today we are showing the world the best of american leadership. we will protect our people. we will stand with partners who defend their countries and rally other nations to meet a common threat. here at home, 13 years after our country was attacked, we continue to stand tall and proud because we are americans and we do not give in to fear. we carry on and we will never waver in defense of the country we love. >> i'm andy tobin. i serve as speaker of the house. i'm the republican candidate for arizona's first congressional district. before i begin, we have had terrible f

sunnis banded together. >> translation: we came to join the fight upped muqtada al-sadr's orders, to clear iraq from i.s.i.s. with no difference between sunni, shi'a, kurdish or christian. we came to year is, most came from outside iraq. >> translation: this had become an 80-day siege aring they were surrounded by -- siege, they were surround surrounded by islamic state fighters. many had no food, babies had no water. >> reporter: the air campaign began in earnest the previous days, dropping food and water to the residents, and bombs from the is lines. >> there's pride amongst the peshmerga forces, that that they and the militia men broke the siege. they couldn't have done it without help from the air, the u.s., iraq and iranian helicopters. breaking the siege of amerli hadn't just saved thousands of lives, but lifted moral among the ranks charged with pushing back the islamic state forces. the challenge is not to see if they can keep up momentum, but if they can hold on to the ground. >> battles between is fighters and government forces are taking place across iraq. the is group controls the city. most of

we'll useless support iraq's efforts to stand up national guard units to help sunni communities secure their own freedom from isil's control. across the border in syria, we have ramped up our military assistance to the syrian opposition. tonight, i call on congress again to give us additional authorities and resources to train and equip these fighters. in the fight against isil, we cannot rely on an assad regime that terrorizes its own people, a regime that will never regain the legitimacy it has lost. instead, we must strengthen the opposition as the best counter-weight to extremists like isil while pursuing the political solution necessary to solve syria's crise once and for all. third, we will continue to draw on our substantial counter-terrorism capabilities to prevent isil attacks. working with our partners, we will redouble our efforts to cut off its fund, improve our intelligence, strengthen our defenses, counter its warped idol, and stem the flow of foreign fighters into and out of the middle east. and in two weeks, i will chair a meeting of the u.n. security council to further

the issue between the sunni minority in iraq and the shia-led government was very serious. u know, it was actually the main reason, or the rifts and divisions between the sunnis and the government, left the islamic state actually a few months ago when they exploited the grievances of the sunni community and then made their advances. >> okay, lots of questions, but no time left, unfortunately. thanks very much indeed. >>> now, a man has died following a shark attach off the beach in australia's byron bay. officials say the man was bitten on his leg at a popular tourist spot in new south wales. andy moore reports. >> reporter: byron bay, an idyllic location, but for some time, at least, its waters will be off-limits to swimmers. the dead man was seen floating in the water close to the shoreline, and was dragged to shore by another beach goer. police say it was an extraordinary act of bravery. a rescue helicopter spotted what appeared to be a great white shark in the area shortly after the attack. >> he sustained some severe injuries to his right leg. we're still waiting to hav

iraq and sir. i can't i.s.i.s. feasts off the suffering of sunnis in syria primarily as well as the grievances of sunnis in iraq. >>the united states or possibly syria, iran, united states, russia, saudi arabia may have to coordinate their policies. we have been on opposite sides of proxy wars but now when an enemy emerges that's an enemy to one and all you may have to put aside preferences and work together in a limited fashion. >> and look

you do have to address those root causes, the disenfranchisement l of the sunnis in iraq is a huge reason many have gone over to isis. >> reporter: another view is it's the iraq government's fault that it arose recently because of that government's failure to be more inclusive as well as last year's crackdown on hundreds of thousands of iraqis who took part in anti-government protests, hundreds of protests were killed again. the former prime minister maintained that what he called terrorists were among the demonstrators. within months the islamic state group emerged in those very same towns and cities. >> the root cause in iraq is one issue that has to be addressed. and that really is a challenge, with the previous iraqi government, the sunnis and the kurds felt disenfranchised, and in fact they were. now with the new government the prime minister says they will be inclusive. this is going to be a challenge first to get them to trust the new central government. >> reporter: but the i.s.'s reach now extends well into syria, yet until now it appears that international powers, particularly t

within iraq's government. sunnis have felt marginalized in iraq particularly under former problem nuri al maliki's and that fueled anger with isis. to help resist isis and weaken the militants's group hold in northern iraq. this as shiite militia and kurdish forces continue to battle the islamic militants for control of various regions in northern iraq and syria as well where the fighting continues along with that in iraq. secretary of state john kerry is going to be leaving iraq shortly. he will fly to jordan, shannon. after that, tomorrow he will be going to saudi arabia, again, as part of the push to build that international coalition of forces of nations, of countries to come together and fight isis. shannon. shannon: john, thank you very much. jon: court action for an isis suspect here at home as a denver woman is expected to plead guilty to trying to help the terror group in syria. shannon conley was arrested last april at the airport trying to board a flight she thought would get her to syria. reportedly she t

there needs to be an uprising the sunni population that have allowed isis in the cities and towns that are here in iraqspeaking to sunni leaders over the past several days, john, they are saying that the government, the new government in baghdad, has to give them more power. they needed to be included. they feel marginalized, persecuted for many, many years. and they say they are not going to fight isis unless the new iraqi government gives them what they want. so this is another conflicts problem. >> indeed. the military just one part of it as you so rightly point out anna coren in erbil, thanks so much. >>> meantime, secretary of state john kerry has just arrived in baghdad, to build diplomatic support in the isis fight. the hope the new baghdad help will help bolster the fight against isis. we're also hearing isis and iran discuss the isis threat. more from baghdad. and you know the secretary of state going there on the heels of this new ostensibly more inclusive government, is this government able to do what it couldn't do in terms of fighting isis? >> reporter: that is the big challenge, christine

that's in large part what happened in iraq with maliki alienating so many sunnis, iraq but luke, youut out the strangest bedfellow, which is bashar al assad. >> i'll ask you an academic question, is it possible to get this type of co-is a ligs in this day in age, where social media, that governments can become more fearful because they have the ability to rise up more so than in 1991, if they were upset with the alliance with the united states. >> i won't look for dramatic endings for this one. isis is really a threat to the region and ultimately to us. >> the woodrow wilson center, aaron david miller. we appreciate it. >> pleasure. >> eric cantor may have been fired by virginia voters earlier this year but his new gig will pay 26 times the average income in his old district. i'll tell you who hired him next on "now." i've always loved exploring and looking for something better. that's the way i look at life. especially now that i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat, not caused by a heart valve problem. i was taking warfarin, but wondered if i

the certainly says that pitch battles aren't the biggest risk in fighting to retake sunni iraq. >> translatorre moving very well but we are facing problems with i.e.d.s and snipers. and we are tackling both of those issues as we go along. >> reporter: i see iraqi army, peshmerga, who will be left behind to hold this village? >> the peshmerga are going to be the holding force. we cleared the village, and they will hold the ground. >> reporter: if this holds true it represents a historic extension of the kurds' forces reach. far more south than they have ever been. nearly 50 miles beyond the disputed area of kirkuk and its rich oil fields. on the way back from the battlefield we came across this convoy where troops are mass ago long side the road. these are shia fighters, in fact, they are the army which the u.s. army is very familiar with when they were fighting here in iraq, look here, this is al sadr, the head of the army. and now they are all heading down the road to continue the fight against the islamic state. they decline today speak on camera but they weren't shy about letting us film.