or all ends justify the means, i should say in a way that whether it is for ally or omar, sunniism or shiaism they give themselves the right. we see the kind of escalation that unfortunately is basically deepening the sectarian divide, deepening the violence, and going to basically an unknown territory for iraqi's. >> interesting that it is not just the fighters targeting each other. the special representative on sexual violence in conflict told some of the refugee camp people managed to get out of syria and iraq and said isil are institution liesing sexual violence. the spill over is not just knows fighting each other it seems. >> that's right. they have lived together peacefully for years. you have the dehumanization, demonization that allows anyone to do anything to anyone who belongs to the other. in a way that kind of escalation we've seen it around the world over the last century. we know the result. the result is that it simply gets worse. it becomes impossible for the parties themselves to arrive at a solution. everyone knows that there needs to be a solution for the security

anbar province the citadel of sunniism in iraq if you will. i cannot imagine anything more carefully calculated to permanently split this country apart, the country of iraq apart, than a shia-led military effort into a completely sunni area. >> that's very disturbing. bob bear as you know we just heard nick report this from baghdad, it was the shiite militia that announced the launch of this operation to try to retake ramadi the no the iraqi military not the iraqi government. they specifically used a shia imam's revered name as if they're deliberately seeking to poison the iraqi sunnis. what do you make of this? >> well i agree with ambassador crocker who knows this region better than anybody in the world, i think. this is an absolute catastrophe if those militias take ramadi destroy the town. it's the heart of the sunni arab part of iraq invoking the name of the grandson of the prophet hussein is an insult to sunni muslims. this will have a sectarian meltdown which we're nearing in the middle east. especially iraq will have reverberations eve