supandvisor safai has said we will try to change the culture around recycling. however, the ordinance before you doesn't acknowledge the consumer at all. it doesn't deal with the consumer at all. the ordinance only deals with, and deals with them in a series of six, not carrots and sticks, but sticks and sticks, the rate payer, the bill holder, and i -- i gave you guys some feedback in an email yesterday, don't want to rehash those points. what we are advocating for is a pass threw, and it's a pass through for the consumer, user, the person who is not separating the waste, to change their behavior. this is what was found in 2002, it was said today, everybody agrees you can serve more and you waste less when you pay for it. and this is not about money, it's about conservation, and i understand the politics of a pass through for tenants, but we are talking about conservation policy. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> hello, good afternoon supervisors. representing high rise building owners, mostly office and retail. i want to thank supervisor safai again fo