or supermajority required to raise taxes or supermajority required to raise the debt limit. and if it were just the barest of bones, the bare minimum of the definition of a balanced budget amendment that could be a balanced budget amendment that would allow the majority of the house of representatives and allow a majority vote of the senate to waive the balanced budget amendment that would be the amendment equivalent of pay-go, pay-as-you-go, waive it or raise taxes in order to calculate that you balanced it. i would caution that we need to do a prudent job of promoting a balanced budget amendment and continually defining that balanced budget amendment to be something that gives us fiscal responsibility. i'll go more deeply into this perhaps in a half-hour or so but i wanted to also add that this legislation that has passed through the house of representatives, and i'm as joyous and delighted that gabbie giffords was able to cast a -- gabbie giffords was able -- gabby giffords was able to cast a vote on this kay as perhaps anybody except her family and close friends. it's a

no supermajority, each leader will appoint three, a committee of 12. we need to do something because the trigger that kicks in is very, very difficult. we need to do this. and it has to be one that's fair. the american people demand fairness. it can't be more cuts to programs that have made this country what it is. there must be a sharing of sacrifice. it's really unfair for billionaires and multimillionaires not to be contributing to the arrangement that we've just made, but they're not. my friends, the republicans, held firm. and no revenue, which is really too bad. we need to have a fair approach 0 this joint committee and i'm confident we will do that. and one reason we're going to do that is because the trigger mechanism that kicks in. now, this committee that was going to have -- be appointed, the members i say here must have open minds. we've had too much talk the last few days of republicans as early as this morning, republican leaders in the senate saying there will be no revenue. that's not going to happen. otherwise, the trigger is going to

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the legislative branch of government and just do anything they want to do because they have a supermajority, a super partisan majority, then this country can't last and the freedoms we all value won't last. i don't want to see anybody not pay. i don't want to see anybody not be able to do their job. by gosh, i don't want to see a runaway national mediation board either or a national labor relations board that would use a precedent like this in ways that really shouldn't be used. so these are not small issues. i hope we can get together. i hope that the two committees will get together and resolve this issue. i'm not on either of the committees. i'm just someone who around here has had to stand up on some of these labor union issues. i'm not against unions. i'm one of the few persons in this whole country who actually earned a union card and became a skilled tradesman and worked for ten years in the building construction trade union. i'm proud of it. i have got to say i'm going to call on both sides to get this problem solved, get rid of allowing the national mediation board to usurp the pow

no ability for a supermajority vote contrary to the normal process of this body so for those reasons i feel like as a senator and ranking member who has wrestled with this for some time i would not be able to support the legislation. i truly believe it is a step forward and i respect my colleagues who have worked hard to bring it forward. i thank the chairman daniel before. >> debate from the senate floor yesterday on raising the nation's debt ceiling. it passed in the house yesterday by a vote of 269-161. the final debate moves to the senate this morning with a vote on final passage set for noon eastern today. leaders agree 60 votes will be needed to pass it on to president obama for his signature. live coverage of that debate right now on c-span2. the presiding officer: the senao order. the chaplain, dr. barry black, e senate in prayer. the chaplain: let us pray. give ear to our prayers, eternal god, and guide us like a shepherd leads a flock. turn us toward you as you cause your face to shine so that we shall be saved. feed our lawmakers with the bread of wisdom so that they will

if the body here decides we have to break that, 60% supermajority ffment we are going to raise the debt limit, super majority to do that. it requires that we spend below the cap of 18% of g.d.p. that we must not exceed an 18% gross domestic product cap. that's all the federal government can consume. we are up to 23 point something percent. we have to get it down to 18%. that is a 2/3 majority. and it requires a 2/3 majority of increased tasks. those are standards that we need to hold to this congress and we need to send that over to the senateon onto the states. meanwhile, i just want to speak into the record that i voted no on this bill today to raise the debt ceiling and i did so for a number of reasons, one of them is the standards i put into the record are not written into the bill. the balanced budget amendment might take any form and might be waived. that seems a little ridiculous but the definition doesn't hold us to any standard. us to any standard. i want to hold to the standard

one requires a supermajority to raise taxes.thirdly, will the debate over painful spending cuts that the super committee is going to have to go through to have an effect on whether the balanced budget amendment will pass? >> i believe i have figured out that if you answered the third question with no, the other two are irrelevant. [laughter] >> i will say no. >> i don't think we are anywhere near the supermajorities needed, particularly and the house, let alone the senate, to get the balanced budget amendment passed. democrats have decided it is off the table, just as republicans have staked their party brand name on it. i don't see that bridge being -- >> it doesn't look like it is going to work. >> even if it did, there would be hurdles beyond that. thank you very much, audience. before you leave, i want to tell you we will have other events on budget issues. events on health issues and medicare. keep tuning in. we hope to see you again. thank you for coming. [applause] >> more live coverage to tell you about on c-span. the jo

the modified bill needs a supermajority to pass in the legislature but if it did it would be immune to amazon's ballot referendum. >>> tonight the names of those b.a.r.t. protesters arrested are no longer anonymous. tonight police released the names of the people arrested. nine are from the east bay, four are from out of state, one is under the age of 18. you can see the names of those arrested by going to our website ktvu.com. we've posted the information under the bay area news tab. >>> about 150 young people came together in oakland tonight to silence the violence during a so called turf summit. new at 10:00, amber lee live at city hall and tells us how a convicted drug dealer contributed in this effort. >> reporter: gasia, here at city hall some city leaders are calling for a gang injunction and a curfew for young people but tonight community groups are taking a different approach. they're handing out these t- shirts urging young people to stop and think before taking action. >> ♪ >> reporter: 19-year-old mahamedd is a college student who comes from an east oakland family of rapper

the modified bill needs a supermajority to pass in the legislature but if it did it would be immune to amazon's ballot referendum. >>> tonight the names of those b.a.r.t. protesters arrested are no longer anonymous. tonight police released the names of the people arrested. nine are from the east bay, four are from out of state, one is under the age of 18. you can see the names of those arrested by going to our website ktvu.com. we've posted the information under the bay area news tab. >>> about 150 young people came together in oakland tonight to silence the violence during a so called turf summit. new at 10:00, amber lee live at city hall and tells us how a convicted drug dealer contributed in this effort. >> reporter: gasia, here at city hall some city leaders are calling for a gang injunction and a curfew for young people but tonight community groups are taking a different approach. they're handing out these t- shirts urging young people to stop and think before taking action. >> ♪ >> reporter: 19-year-old mahamedd is a college student who comes from an east oakland family of rapper

across the board sequester comes in to cut that spending, and you can't cut that off without a supermajorityote. we got that in law. that's here. legal caps in law, we haven't had since the 1990s. we now have them. in the committee, the special committee, is tasked with getting the $1.1 trillion to $1.5 trillion in cuts. we're not going to raise taxes. >> sean: are you on this committee? >> they haven't been named yet. we won't people on this committee that won't go for that. the baseline they used, the measuring stick they use for this committee, makes it basically impossible to raise taxes, because to raise taxes and get credit for it in this committee you would have to commit a $3.5 trillion tax increase. the bush tax cuts go away, the minimum tax goes in, and -- >> sean: i know you know budget numbers better than anybody here. the cbo, though, is scoring this bill to include that the bush tax cuts expire. >> no, no. the cbo does not -- that is not true. >> sean: not true? that's what i've been reading all day. >> i know. the cbo baseline assumes that. current law -- this bill doesn't add

what does characterize this group that makes it different from simpson bowles say that needed a supermajoritythat that is the only thing you needed to happen. but it's far more likely and camps comments signaled it that the leaders are going to maneuver to try and find a deal as well. what also is interesting about camps' comments is that this committee has a fairly narrow charge to begin with. 1.2 trillion in additional. >> 1 my 5. >> coming mostly from discretionary spending, domestic and not the entitlements and defensement but they have an opening to do whatever they want. and whatever they come out with does get an up or down vote on amended. so the chance for a grand bargain here is there. and you know, obe want kenobe. >> warner: we're going to have to leave it. >> 4 trillion. : . >> warner: which was the original simpson bowles idea. thank you. >> it's a pleasure. >> woodruff: english cities were tense but calm today as police established a forceful presence on streets where rioters and looters prevailed days ago. in a special meeting of britain's parliament, prime minister david came

more empathy for the president now after feeling like what it' like to have a filibuster proof supermajority of two against one. (laughter) but, you know, if you look back in the bush administration, president bush never had the size of the senate behind him that president obama had when he walked into office and that he then had three months later. and president bush pushed through one piece of legislation after another, practically the only thing that man couldn't get through despite the fact that most of it was... most of us think it was pretty wrong headed-- including creating the deficits that have tied president obama's hands which the president never mentied in his first year of office which i think was a colossal messaging failure. putting that aside for a second, president bush got through no child left behind, he got through tax cuts that were heavily weighted towards the wealthy. he got through an unfunde medicare plan that gave lots of money to big pharma. he got through an understood funded iraq war, an understood funded afghanistan war and where was the screaming about the defi

>> i do not feel we're near the supermajority to get the amendment passed. democrats pretty much put it off the table. i think they have their name on it. and did not see that bridge being cross. >> it does not look like it is going to work. it takes a long time. >> thank you very much. we are going to have other events where the deal with the budget and the issues in the near future. keep tuned in. we hope to see you again. thank you. [applause] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] >> there harassing their air and safety foreign this weekend. randolph babbitt will be speaking to the group and about half an hour. we will have his comments live. with the new school year getting under way, our guest is arne duncan. >> what to me with shocking was that these assassinations were welcomed and congratulate td. these are not terrorists or al qaeda. ordinary pakistani to feel that their religion is threatened, that the country is becoming too secular and that blasphemy is something to be def

although it did not have a supermajority vote. it had a majority vote.start. >> the bull simpson commission that chambers talked about was the panel set up by president obama to identify ways to reduce the national deficit. now the super committee created by the debt deal in congress will identify ways to bring down the deficit. athena jones is live in washington with more on this. this rating changes puts more pressure on congress. on both sides to figure this out and to try to get jobs. >> reporter: it absolutely does, deb. this is an indictment of congress. s&p is saying that let's look at the dysfunction that we is seen over the last several weeks or months. no ability to agree to come together. it took until the last minute to come together on the debt deal. if you look at the s&p statement on the decision throughout it is it sprinkled to reference to politics. there is pessimism over the parties coming together to reach real reductions in the future. the whole issue of the debt ceiling and the threat of default have been used as political bargainin

no supermajority, each leader will appoint three to the committee of 12. we need to do something because the trigger that kicks in is very, very difficult. we need to do this. it has to be one that's fair. the american people demand fairness. it can't be more cuts to programs that have made this country what it is. there must be a sharing of sacrifice. it's really unfair for billionaires and multimillionaires not to be contributing to the arrangement that we've just made, but they're not. my friends, the republicans held firm. and no revenue, which is really too bad. we need to have a fair approach to this joint committee. i'm confident we will do that. and one reason we're going to do that is because the trigger mechanism that kicks in. now, this committee that was going to have be appointed, the members i say here must have open minds. we've had too much talk the last few days of republicans as early as this morning republican leaders in the senate saying there will be no revenue. that's not going to happen. otherwise the trigger's going to kick in. the

approval will require a supermajority of 60 votes in the 100 member senate. >> a breaking news story in san leandro, police are investigating what could be possible shooting. craig skalar it is live on the scene. >> i am in alameda county beach near hayward. you can see sheriff's investigators have blocked off this section of 159. apparently a shooting. we do not have a lot of confirmed information. there is blood on the scene and neighbors have said they heard gunshots, five of them before 6:00 a.m.. something violent happens. obviously something violence occurred. there was a chase on 580, it could be possible that chase is connected with this in the chase came off of the highway into the street and then perhaps into this unincorporated area that is also unconfirmed at this point. right now we're trying to figure out exactly what happens periodically the street is blocked off, they are conducting an investigation and fix whatever it was king to a violent end. >> a quick market of state, stocks are falling. a new report came out from the commerce department. i want to show you some

ideally, a two-thirds supermajority. you want to make it difficult and unusual, but not impossible for congress to engage in that kind of spending. if you have each of these basic elements in there, especially if he were to add to it some restriction on tax increases to make sure congress does not try to balance its budget by raising taxes, which, in the long term, will impair economic growth, you have a pretty safe, ironclad document that will help restore individual liberties. thank you. [applause] >> thank you very much. it has been a pleasure to meet with you. i appreciate you being part of this organization and encourage you to stay involved in it. thank you very much. [applause] >> another speaker at the national conservative student conference this week was governor senator, marco rubio. he says there needs to be a limit in spending in order to grow the economy. he calls for a simple tax code and regulatory reform. this is 35 minutes. >> please continue to enjoy your dinner, but our guest speaker is here tonight a

it was by super rich sureties -- supermajorities in the senate. they saw revenues in 1993.dget choices that congress makes. there's the economic context of what goes on around it. >> i think the fact is that it did work somewhat for a while. it is easy to think that congress would use it again. if congress wants to change something, they're going to do it anyway. let's go over this. >> thank you. there are a couple of all such are bouncing around the court. i had in mind the upcoming decision. we have the billing decision about the tax cuts. he mentioned this in passing about the extension of the unemployment benefits. could you comment on that you think all of those things will play into the debate? >> someone talk about what you think about the budget process for 2012. >> it is about what you saw for 2011. we passed one appropriation in the house and the senate for this. we will have a continuing resolution. out of thecoming house as a very low level. it be at war with the senate. it is going to be a stripped down one. it is probably handled again by the super committee's

the law and when presidents set up these commissions through executive orders they are given a supermajority requirement in order to officially report. their provisions are rarely if ever protected procedurally. they are subject to filibuster and party control on the house floor. the most successful commission is the one that approves the rules. the closing commission had a statutory basis protected procedurally from being amended on the floor. decisions of the commission went into effect and the president voted to disapprove or reject the recommendations. commissions created by executive order, right off the bat most of them are hampered by the way they were created. in contextual reasons why things tend not to succeed here these episodes are rarely created in periods of crisis and even if there was crisis typically it might be unnecessary to get an agreement but rarely sufficient to tell the party to sit down. how is this supercommittee different from what we have seen historically? primarily in terms of institutional factors. it has a statutory basis and majority vote to report. no amendm

no supermajority, each leader will appoint three, a committee of 12.need to do something because the trigger that kicks in is very, very difficult. we need to do this. and it has to be one that's fair. the american people demand fairness. it can't be more cuts to programs that have made this country what it is. there must be a sharing of sacrifice. it's really unfair for billionaires and multimillionaires not to be contributing to the arrangement we've just made. but they're not. my friends, the republicans, held firm, and no revenue which is really too bad. we need to have a fair approach to this joint committee, and i'm confident we will do that. and the one reason we're going to do that is because of the trigger mechanism that kicks in. now, this committee that was going to have, be appointed, the members i say here must have open minds. we've had too much talk the last few days of republicans as early as this morning, republican leaders in the senate saying there will be no revenue. that's not going to happen, otherwise the trigger is going to kick

but if you didn't have a supermajority congress wasn't required to vote on it.ress will be required to vote on. that is what makes it different. if they have recommendations they give them to the congress. they have to vote up or down. they have no choice. so you can't take the simpson bowles commission and say, i like items 1, 2, 3 and 4 but no way on items 6 or 8. this one will be here it is, eat your peace like it or not. yes or no. >> i guess a lot depends, john, on who is sitting on the panel, right? >> that is the magical question. gloria has been tracking this all day. i asked the senate republican leader mitch mcconnell today. are members volunteering or running away? we know there are some members committed to some politically painful things. they're willing to put social security and medicare on the table. we also know there are members going to the leadership on the republican side saying appoint me. i will fight to the death no new taxes. on the democratic side appoint me. i will fight to the death. no touching social security or medicare. so the que

no supermajority, each leader will appoint three, a committee of 12. we need to do something because the trigger that kicks in is very, very difficult. we need to do this. and it has to be one that's fair. the american people demand fairness. it can't be more cuts to programs that have made this country what it is. there must be a sharing of sacrifice. it's really unfair for billionaires and multimillionaires not to be contributing to the arrangement that we've just made, but they're not. my friends, the republicans, held firm. and no revenue, which is really too bad. we need to have a fair approach 0 this joint committee and i'm confident we will do that. and one reason we're going to do that is because the trigger mechanism that kicks in. now, this committee that was going to have -- be appointed, the members i say here must have open minds. we've had too much talk the last few days of republicans as early as this morning, republican leaders in the senate saying there will be no revenue. that's not going to happen. otherwise, the trigger is going to

typically, when presidents set up commissions by executive order, they are given a supermajority requiremento officially report. there provisions are rarely if ever protected procedurally. they are subject to filibuster and party control on the house floor. the most successful commission is the one that proves the rule. decisions of the commission went into effect. congress voted to disapprove or reject the recommendations. most of these commissions are hampered by the way they are created. in terms of contextual reasons why these do not succeed, commissions are rarely created in a time of crisis. it is really a sufficient to compel the party to sit down. how is the super committee different from what we have seen historically to about it difference primarily because of these institutional factors i have mentioned. it has a statutory basis. it only has a majority okay to report. no filibuster from the right. no filibusters -- it only has a majority vote to report. congress has kicked the can down the road. they have re did so we can will explode if they do not reach an agreement -- they have

. >> you actually filibuster on one ground the supermajority -- [inaudible] i'm wondering what do you see might have been different [inaudible] >> i can tell you there are a number of people all over this country and a number of us in the senate who feel the same way. harry reid is a good friend of mine and i like him very much. his dilemma always is that he believes that he has a job, that we have a job to pass legislation to address the problems facing america, which is what his job is about, that is what the leader's job is. i think that we could have and should pick a particular issue. with the gentleman is talking about is we have seemed a record level of obstructionism on the part of the republicans the day after obama was elected. if you to accomplish something. in the old days, it was very rare for people to require the 60 votes for you to have to break the 60 votes to get cloture. a very rare. now on almost any significant piece of legislation would come the of demand 60 votes which is very difficult. but again, just one example. during the health care reform debate, i introd

. >> you actually filibuster on one ground the supermajority -- [inaudible] i'm wondering what do you see might have been different [inaudible] >> i can tell you there are a number of people all over this country and a number of us in the senate who feel the same way. harry reid is a good friend of mine and i like him very much. his dilemma always is that he believes that he has a job, that we have a job to pass legislation to address the problems facing america, which is what his job is about, that is what the leader's job is. i think that we could have and should pick a particular issue. with the gentleman is talking about is we have seemed a record level of obstructionism on the part of the republicans the day after obama was elected. if you to accomplish something. in the old days, it was very rare for people to require the 60 votes for you to have to break the 60 votes to get cloture. a very rare. now on almost any significant piece of legislation would come the of demand 60 votes which is very difficult. but again, just one example. during the health care reform debate, i introd

no supermajority, each leader will appoint three, a commiee of 12. we need to do something because the trigger that kicks in is very, very difficult. we need to do this. and it has to be one that's fair. the american people demand fairness. it can't be more cuts to programs that have made this country what it i there must be a sharing of sacrifice. it's really unfair for billionaires and multimillionaires not to be contributing to the arrangement that we've just made, but they're not. my friends, the republicans, held firm. and no revenue, which is really too bad. we need to have a fair approach 0 this joint committeend i'm confident we will do that. and one reason we're going to do that is because the trigger mechanism that kicks in. now, this committee that was going to have -- be appointed, the members i say here must have open minds. we've had too much talk the last few days of republicans as ely as this morng, republican leaders in the senate saying there will be no revenue. that's not going to happen. otherwise, the trigger is going to kick in.

. >> you actually filibuster on one ground the supermajority -- [inaudible] i'm wondering what do you see might have been different [inaudible] >> i can tell you there are a number of people all over this country and a number of us in the senate who feel the same way. harry reid is a good friend of mine and i like him very much. his dilemma always is that he believes that he has a job, that we have a job to pass legislation to address the problems facing america, which is what his job is about, that is what the leader's job is. i think that we could have and should pick a particular issue. with the gentleman is talking about is we have seemed a record level of obstructionism on the part of the republicans the day after obama was elected. if you to accomplish something. in the old days, it was very rare for people to require the 60 votes for you to have to break the 60 votes to get cloture. a very rare. now on almost any significant piece of legislation would come the of demand 60 votes which is very difficult. but again, just one example. during the health care reform debate, i introd