>> colbert superpac transfer activate. >> colbert. colbert superpac is dead. >> but it has been reborn. definitely not coordinating with stephen colbert superpac! >> all right. so the joke there being that citizens united allows you to create a super pac that raises money and spends money on ads, quit that super pac, hand off the reins to your best friend, run for office while your best friend supports your candidacy with money from that super pac. >> can i run ads supporting stephen colbert who i believe in very deeply and perhaps attacking his potential opponents who i don't believe in at all? >> yes, you can as long as you do not coordinate. >> can i legally hire stephen's current super pac staff? to produce these ads that will be in no way coordinated with stephen? >> yes. >> okay. so check this out. that comedy routine is now reality in the state of montana. ryan zinky, a former state senator and navy s.e.a.l. is running for congress but before that he was running a super pac called special operations for america. >> special oper

we should probably go and register as a superpac and some groups will say no way, and they will try totheir money, like organizing as a corporation and spending the money out of the corporation. >> in terms of registering as a superpac, the downside, donors to those groups, even if they can spend unlimited amounts donating to them, we all know they have to disclose. >> there are al of donors that don't want their names in the paper, they're afraid of boycotts, they're afraid of being called names. to steve forbes group has -- get money in politics, contributions in politics without being disclosed. superpacs, it's all on the table. >> what process it has to go through before these rules can be implemented, what do you see in terms of that? >> we'll see at least three months of public comment. i expect we will see thousands and thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of comments on this rule to the effected groups from ordinary people. after that they have to go back and think about the comments. possibly tweak some of the rules a little bit. and sometime, probably in a year, or maybe e

the hundreds and thousands of people that are already starting to support ready for hillary the superpac out there right now. it is stemming a lot of support across this country. not just isolated to the northeast as your candidate for the frontrunner is right now. she's going to be able to have a broad coalition. >> is she going to run against obama or continuity with obama? >> on some issues there will be some defining issues in which i'm sure she will. there'll be some moments in which she'll be able to define the stakes of the election in her own way. >> how much do you worry looking at the degree to which mcauliffe began to fall apart in the last ten days despite a 4 to 1 spending advantage, how much do you worry that if obama care can't get fixed that by next summer it is a really big problem for the democratic party and for liberalism in general? >> there's a lot of people. we all are disappointed in the rollout and how it's taken place. we know there are some very good things part of obama care. i was denied earlier this year health insurance because of a pre-existing condition.

we saw a lot last time with superpacs. but i think they're going to pick somebody early and they're going to figure what they need to do. and they're going to try and do it because they want to win. but they're not behind a ted cruz. they'd be much more likely to be behind a chris christie as jake points out. >> by the way, let's not give hillary clinton the mantel of the democratic party just yet. >> everybody thinks that they're projecting that. >> but this democratic party has moved left of bill clinton. that was the end of -- well, i'll tell you. the error of big government is back. this is left of clinton. i think this belongs to elizabeth warren, de blasio of new york. animated by social activism on the internet. once america goes forward a generation in politics, it hardly ever goes back. that happened to hillary clinton last time. so i think you can see a ground swell on the left for someone other than hillary clinton. i think you could easily see an elizabeth warren. one thing hillary clinton has connecting her to

grassroots groups have set up superpacs.ike in 2008 when barack obama was seen as the democratic rock star, there isn't a real alternative waiting in the wings to go against hillary. here's the difference between mitt romney. he served in world war ii. he was at pearl harbor, he was at okinawa and iwo jima, all of those places. we'll be right back. "if hillary clinton runs and wins and populates yet another administration with heirs to robert ruben, it will be at least eight years to reclaim the party. she has a sense of destiny, says a former aid. if hillary or the man on the moon is not representing her stuff and her people don't have a seat at the table, she'll do what she can to make sure it's represented. joy reid is with thegrio.com and msnbc contributor. and josh green is senior political editor at "bloomberg businessweek." both of you, i want you both to espouse a possible course over the next two years whereby elizabeth warren runs for president with or without an opponent named hillary clinton. >> well, it's easy.

with the president and they're now talking about a bunch of legislation and some of the republican superpacsg to target them. take a look at this ad. >> if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan. >> those individuals who like the coverage they already have will be able to keep their current plan. >> which now becomes a problem having said that and apparently there's a lot of that to come. juan, some of those democratic senators, mary landrieu, are now talking about introducing legislation to if you want your plan you can keep it to delay some of the penalties. joe manchin to delay the entire individual mandate a year. >> i don't think that that's going to happen. i think that -- >> they're not going to introduce them or they're not going to get passed. >> republicans might introduce it but not something you're going to see democrats support in any substantial numbers. i think what you are going to see is potentially some kind of extension of the enrollment period so that it would compensate for the month it lost so far given the problems with the website. you keep

it came to free speech, the supreme court agreed giving us citizens united to launch a thousand superpacs what about the free exercise of religion? who when do the rights of an institution go so far in trampling the rights of individual women they disadvantage them because they're women? should a corporation like hobby lobby be able to refuse coverage for employees because of his own religious views? should the views of a small group outweigh the medical needs of thousands of workers or 82% of americans who support access to birth control? with me now, sally kohn and samuel ruis. sally, one thing about this -- >> only one? >> one of -- is this idea of, you know, hear this conversation about, you know, the institutions, the institutions. but what about the individual? i mean, particularly on the right, they love to talk about the constitution but part of the whole idea was there's a balance there. we protect individual rights, not just the institutions. i feel like there was a king or something that was, you know, trying to trample people's rights. >> i was confused on this one, too. we ca

grassroots groups have set up superpacs.en barack obama was seen as as the democratic rock star, there isn't a real alternative waiting in the wings to go against hillary, or is there? "the new republic" has a provocative article out there arguing that elizabeth warren from massachusetts could be gearing up to challenge clinton. "if hillary clinton runs and retains her ties to wall street, warren will be more likely to join the race, not less. warren is shrewd enough to understand the future of the democratic party is at stake in 2016. at age 64, she knows if hillary wins and populates yet another administration with heirs to robert ruben, it will be at least eight years to reclaim the party. she has a sense of destiny, says a former aid. if hillary or the man on the moon is not representing her stuff and her people don't have a seat at the table, she'll do what she can to make sure it's represented. joy reid is with thegrio.com and msnbc contributor. and josh green is senior political editor at "bloomberg businessweek." bot

there's superpacs. groups organizing around how much they all love hillary clinton. the republican party, very fractious. chris christie wins. rand paul says not a real republican. they couldn't even wait until after 2014 to start arguing over their nomination. they had to start doing it now. that tells you how deep that tea party establishment divide really is. >> to that point, nia-malika, it strikes me that when you look at what's happening now, as people are looking towards 2014, there's an assumption -- i mean, as we know, this is a long time between now and november. and in january, essentially, there is a real chance that we'll have another shutdown, that we'll have another showdown over the budget. >> please don't remind me. >> if i was the white house, i would use that as my leverage. you know the gop can't afford it. but the reality is, fortunes can change very quickly. >> that's right. i mean, we saw that with democrats, right? they were sitting on the sidelines, very happy to see that republicans were getting a lot of the brunt of the bad public opinion p

driver's seat some would argue for 2016, which seems so far away, but at the same time you have superpacs and political committees setting itself up. >> conservative republicans seem to be driving some of the agenda on capitol hill these days. is a chris christie acceptable to the tea party to those far right in the republican party? >> the not at this point, which is why you have senator ted cruz from texas, why you have rand paul, senator from kentucky and various other names bantied about by folks part and parcel of the tea party. they're not happy with somebody who is a chris christie who reached out across the aisle. think back to hurricane sandy last year when he was arm in arm with president barack obama. these are visuals that definitely in terms of chris christie's credentials from the tea party and the far right wing of the republican party are just not going to play well with them. so as we are in the kind of shakeout phase of who might be in, who might be out for the 2016 presidential race, you're going to have a whole lot of alternatives to chris christie coming from the far

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raiseortatzenberg millions as a bum for the president in 2012 and gave $3 million to the pro-obama superpac. we will have that live for you on c-span. , they recently announced nuclear deal with iran, hosted by the heritage foundation. canadan event on u.s.- cooperation, and that begins at 1:30 p.m. eastern. were --the 60s were different. [laughter] there were a lot of things happening involving race, the breakdown in the structure of society. i was suddenly out of the seminary and in new england, and there were no rules. things were falling apart. very,t structure, it is very difficult to navigate. i was extremely fortunate to be at holy cross. i was extremely fortunate to still have had a residual him -- the way i was raised in the structure the nuns had given me and the structure the seminary had given me. i was also extremely fortunate because i had already been in predominantly white schools. i was the only black in my high school in savanna. so, the transition to a school with very for you -- very few black in a very difficult set of circumstances academically and otherwise, i had sor

why can't we as citizens get a taxingdo a referendum on superpacs. political donations. the supreme court says they are people, too, let them be taxed at 25% like me. worker,hourly independent, sole proprietor. but still, you know, i am the one who gets gouged the most. look, i'm a democrat. i give to them dnc --you would not believe how many e-mails i get. let them take $.25 out of every dollar to pay the debt or go into the general fund. eric cantor and the rest of them -- might see a little more, let's get the house in order and not cut because nobody is helping me with building up my business. thank you. isst: i think that it extremely appealing in the abstract. i think it would be -- part of what citizens united determined is these corporations have the right to be involved in political campaigns because it is an act of free speech. therefore, what you are suggesting is basically a tax on free speech, which is probably a nonstarter both congressionally and judiciary. secondly, this is something that has already been taxed to whatever extent it has been taxed. this i

leading indicator we had this morning, the first khmer thashl uses that clip in kentucky, republican superpac. they start with the clip of the president saying if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. it's an ad attacking the democrat, allison grimes, link herg to this. >> we're going to need to talk more about this. we need to talk to john meacham. and i'll tell you why. because you know what, when you're in trouble, when your plane is going down, you get the chute and you jump out. i'm telling you, there are ways to handle this crisis. they're not handling it the right way. telling people that they're stupid and they didn't understand what they were saying, having your press secretary going out, mocking one of the most respected people in the white house press corps, you know, maybe actually doing the george washington retreat on long island in the summer of 1776, maybe this president needs -- maybe they need a six-month cooling-off period. figure out how to actually make the website work, and stop this. because this is only going to get worse for them. they're digging deeper every da

why can't we as citizens get a taxingdo a referendum on superpacs. political donations. supreme court says they are people, too, let them be taxed at 25% like me. worker,hourly independent, sole proprietor. but still, you know, i am the one who gets gouged the most. look, i'm a democrat. i give to them dnc --you would not believe how many e-mails i get. let them take $.25 out of every dollar to pay the debt or go into the general fund. eric cantor and the rest of them -- might see a little more, let's get the house in order and not cut because nobody is helping me with building up my business. thank you. isst: i think that it extremely appealing in the abstract. i think it would be -- part of what citizens united determined is these corporations have the right to be involved in political campaigns because it is an act of free speech. therefore, what you are suggesting is basically a tax on free speech, which is probably a nonstarter both congressionally and judiciary. secondly, this is something that has already been taxed to whatever extent it has been taxed. this is mo

>> well, there was one poll that came out from a superpac that was behind mike enzi that showed a huge lead, like 50 points for the incumbent. cheney's campaign in a sign of atone of what's going on out there put out a poll pointing out that that was also the same company that put out a statement saying that was also the company that showed ted cruz behind by 50 points in his race. nobody knows where the state is. it's a small population. that's what we've been saying here on "morning joe." that liz cheney could win. she'll probably have more money. the fishing fight that we talked about here on "morning joe" before, that just showed it's very personal, very nasty between someone who is -- two families that are both legends in that state. >> mike, let's talk about the fight yesterday with her sister mary cheney. mary cheney and her wife, heather powe, taking to facebook to come out against liz. liz said publicly my sister and i disagree on guy marriage. i am not for guy marriage despite the fact that my sister mary is married. mary fired back writing in part, liz, this isn't an issue o