this was created apparently in y legislation from a then supervi, when i asked him the rationale t it was to keep its eyes on the s commission. that's a heck of a reason to cre another city bureaucracy. granted it has limited staff, bs its responsibilities duplicate e responsibilities of this commisn namely the brown act of the staf california, it's local counterpe california public records act, d matters which relate there to. enough is enough. so i would ask that staff prepat and i'd ask that it be placed on december. >> i think mr. chen has -- you'e indicating you have something te on what commissioner kopp said? >> just this is probably not the for a full discussion of the pr, but to clarify, the ethics commn cannot place a charter amendmene ballot, that would be somethingt needs to go through the board of supervisors. >> both of those changes requira charter amendment. not sunshine? >> that would be an ordinance. >> on what grounds? >> so section sa 15.102 of the r is the provision that allows ths commission to place measures one ballot. that specifies that the etics cn only plac