are these supranatural eruptions. youdemonic comes to punish if you are not acknowledging the situation. tavis: my grandmother who had a second or third grade education in mississippi. she used to always say to me, joyce carol oates, when you know better, you ought to do better. i raise that, and i am not naive and asking this, but it goes to the heart of your novel. how is it the people who know better cannot seem to find no way to do better? you think of the elite communities like that princeton community, and you say to how could you look the other way? how could you not connect to the she manatee of the other because the humanityer -- of the other because you know better? >> the conservatism had to do with newer scientific ideas and women's suffrage. it was not just racism itself. oferal conservatism is fear change, but at the same time there is the socialist and revolutionaries and young radical list, and they represent this very exciting youth movement. like a socialist collegium organization. .t was not all whi