supreme court. fa court that had never before had a come on its panel of judges, and that was a very special event for the court, and i think it's made a difference. when i visit the court today, as i do today, and look up at that bench, i see three women sitting there. [applause] >> there are also six men, but the overall assessment is a lot better. [laughter] >> okay. >> they gave me my on mic here. any traditions or rituals that go on behind the seans at the court, and that you are fond of? >> oh, yes! well, i'll start with the first. [laughter] it is the practice of the court when you meet each day to go on the bench or to sit and discuss cases. for each justice to shake hands with every other justice. now, that is really special. i don't know how you feel about it, imu to shake hands with someone. now, come on over here. [laughter] to shake hands with someone is meaningful. it is. you touch their hand, shake it, and it's much more effective then to work together as a court and decide the cases,

that became a settlement in the supreme court case. it was a double jeopardy to put a man in the electric chair again. the court eventually decided it was only accidental that you could put willie francis in the chair again. just as franklin voted for that execution because he fell constitutionally mandated to do it. he was so disturbed he went behind his fellow justices backs quite literally and powerful in the louisiana state bar and urged them to do whatever he could to stop what would be a travesty. the attorney did attempt to stop the execution. he could not. willie francis died a year later in the same -- the same hearse waiting for him a year before took his body away. >> guest: the justices were split 5-4. often even those who vote in favor of elect -- the death penalty have great misgivings with the wisdom of going to the death penalty and throughout its history the united states supreme court from the 60s on that we have found justices would vote to uphold a death sentence even though they personally felt it was wrong. they fe

this supreme court.n't think this supreme court would have stopped it. >> i don't think that five-justice majority would have stopped... >> charlie: by definition you're saying that they made this decision based on politics. >> i think it was influenced. i think you can't take a judicial decision like that outside of the context in which it's rendered. do i think they genuinely believed that what they were doing was the right thing for the country? i do. i believe that... >> charlie: because they didn't want to see this prolonged? >> i think... charlie: is that the rationale? >> that's the rationale that judge posner gives. >> charlie: from chicago. from chicago. and judge posner says that the rationale given by the majority doesn't make any sense. i think he's right about that. >> charlie: what was the rationale one more time? >> the rationale was that it violated equal protection because certain canvassing boards were deciding certain votes differently than other canvassing boards in other counties mig

that became a big supreme court issue. the court looked at it, accepted the case because it was an interesting question. and then for some reason punted. it did not decide that question. it sent it down to the lower courts for re-examination. i talked to the trial judge when it was sent back, he said i was scratching my head. i have no idea what these guys want. they reheard the case. eventually, the louisiana state supreme court made a decision that you couldn't medicate to execute. but the supreme court didn't make the decision in that case. >> guest: one of the things we uncovered in our work on this case was that this inmate, this murderer, michael per ru, he was arrested here in washington, d.c. and actually had come to town, was talking supreme court justice sandra day o'connor. that's -- that surprised us. she still participated in the case. she didn't remember it because, unfortunately, those things do happen. supreme court justices are victims of threats. but as martin was saying, his death sentence was later set a

that became a big supreme court issue. the court looked at it, accepted the case because it was an interesting question, and then for some reason punted pickett did not decide the question that get sent down to the lower courts for examination. i talked to the trial judge and he said i was scratching my head. i have no idea what these guys once. day we heard the case. eventually louisiana state supreme court made a decision that you couldn't medicate to execute, but the supreme court didn't make the decision in that case. >> guest: one of things we uncovered was this inmate, this murderer, michael perry, he was arrested in washington, d.c. and action had come to town here, was talking supreme court justice sandra o'connor. i mean, that was, that surprised him because she's sober to indicate that she didn't remember it because it was unfortunate those things to happen with supreme court justices, victims of threats. but as martin was saying, his intestines was later set aside by the louisiana supreme court. and now what we h

the first is one that the supreme court never decided. the boston usehond dispute. in saving justice he says that he first came to the nixon administration's attention after writing an article saying it court slaid you rerused bus tranor.ortation and school desegregation cases. a desp iption about a meeting of the white house. his discussion of a supreme court decision inareritied neran which led to his elkbort to drat legislation and cooperation with professor charles alan wright. what fnd from today's perspective is that the president himsesit redra the bill b crore it was sent to congress. when he became snd mabob school cases for preritiig pretension. he issued a careless opinion that monwou princund les fnd dso another the proved inflammatory. bob wanted to set things straight. the fundamental divide the time was between people who equated all rn tiial balance to an wantd courts to order racial balance. people who thought that the constic-tional limits of lefveherment use of race excepts a remedy for racial violations. of a prioffte drugs led to in balance, ther

this is murder at the supreme court, and it's how the supreme court views murder in the punishment that's appropriate for it. i -- i think it has a good title capturing what the book is about. these are all lethal crimes and what the court said about them produced landmark decisions. >> host: well, you know, i have to say that i think what's neat about both the title and the way the book is done, you know, with the qr codes and the way the stories are told is that i think it's opening it up to folks who are not necessarily nonfiction readers. >> guest: yeah. >> host: i was curious if that was done intentionally? did you know that was going to be the outcome, or -- >> guest: i think from the get-go, my thought was, always having a difficulty at abc news where i had a terrific story, never said no to interview the people who brought the case which was an amazing liberty and treat for me. i would come back, and i said, i have two stories for you, the decision from the supreme court that you want, but i have a human interest story behind it that you want too. they said, well, all right, you h

the supreme court chamber. it probably doesn't matter much as a practical matter because by nighttime, every day that cases are heard of the court, you can get a full transscript of everything that was said that day in the courtroom. by the lawyers and the judges, the justices. it's all transcribed, available, and in writing. it is completely available almost immediately, and i don't think that the absence of seeing that on a television screen opposed to reading it in whatever form it comes out is that significant people are accustomed in this country to seeing everything on the television so it's a little frustrating, i guess, for some to think it's not fair, but i don't think that it's a cause for major concern because of the fact that, in fact, it is there in writing. you can see what was said. >> advice do you gie a young female tarn interested in becoming a judge? >> well, if you want to be a judge, first of all, you have to be a good law student. you really need to prove that in law school and elsewhere, y

on the morning of march 18th, the decision was announced from the supreme court. they said justice black said i have an announcement the decision and opinion of the court gideon against -- vindication for 20 years of dissent from -- against brady. they said we were wrong when we designed it and now we are making it right. >> it was complete. not only did this belief in the 14th amendment, the court decide d in gideon's favor. this system which he fought for so long in the justice. the decision was law of the land. equal justice under law. >> when a supreme court decided the gideon case, they really brought light to that phrase. it doesn't matter if you are rich, it doesn't matter if you are poor, you get the same equal chance. >> just look at what happened to gideon. the supreme court didn't set gideon free but it gave him a fair trial with a competent attorney. >> not guilty. >> clarence earl gideon was a free man. the man who won a landmark supreme court case went to live a normal living with a job pumping gas. >> when i read where it says equal justice under law

this became a major supreme court case. ould it be cruel and unusual punishment to sit him on the chair again? the court ruled that it wasn't. but felix frankfurter, who had voted for the execution because he felt he had no choice constitutionally, behind the backs of his fellow justices, went to a friend in the louisiana bar and said, "fight this locally. this would be an embarrassment if it happened and i'd feel really ashamed if it happened." >> it says something, also, about the court, how sometimes they will vote one way when their personal feelings go another way. sometimes supreme court justices, more than anybody else in public life, have to hold their nose when they do their job. they have to be faithful to the law. and you'll see justices saying, "i personally oppose the death penalty" they'll confide that in friends, maybe write about it after they leave the court, "but we have to uphold it because we feel the state has the right to do it, even though we disagree with it." >> you begin with a decision the court ma

>> outside the united states supreme court. it was taken on the day that a challenge to the pledge of allegiance, not the requirement to say it that the insertion of the words under guide that have been in 1950's with the cold war pushed back against communism and this is a bishop of the small the nomination from poughkeepsie new york. they are praying for their protection or public acknowledgement of god outside the supreme court on the day the case was argued and behind her uc to guard standing, looking far less dramatic than she does. she is actually weeping. is a very dynamic picture i was thrilled to see it on the cover. >>host: professor court in some cases today include nativity scenes, a 10 commandments, is there a national standard on those and where they can be displayed? [laughter] >> there are many national standards that disagree. the basic rule seems to be if it is just the ten commandments that violates the establishment clause but with the nativity scene or the ten commandments or the menorah combined with other

supreme court. and their grant of jurisdiction is discretionary with the court and not too many cases are granted. so that is how the system works today. and i volunteer periodically to sit on one of the federal courts of appeal and hear a number of cases for two or three days. and today i went to the supreme court at myself. i was here. i heard a case argued, and it just happens to be a case which i had heard as a volunteer judge when i sat on the ninth circuit some months back and heard that case and we rendered a decision and the losers did not like the result and filed a petition with the u.s. supreme court which took the case, and it was argued today. so i had the pleasure of sitting in the court room and listening to the lawyers argue about the case that i have participated in deciding some months before at the court of appeals level, so that was kind of fun to do, have to say. and i think what we have done tonight is to see if you did not have various questions that you thought you might like

. >> when a supreme court decided the gideon case, they really brought light to that phrase. it doesn't matter if you are rich, it doesn't matter if you are poor, you get the same equal chance. >> just look at what happened to gideon. the supreme court didn't set gideon free but it gave him a fair trial with a competent attorney. >> not guilty. >> clarence earl gideon was a free man. the man who won a landmark supreme court case went to live a normal living with a job pumping gas. >> when i read where it says equal justice under law, i'm very inspired by that. i'm very comforted by that. but i know a lot of people are treated unfairly. i see it as something encouraging but i don't see it yet. >> it's written into constitution and established into the goal for society to reach for and live up to. people will fall short, rights can be ignored or even trampled. with nothing more than a pencil and knowledge. >> if you know your rights you can protect your rights. if you don't know your rights you can't. they will always be there. you can fight for them. that was gideon's story. h

it reached a historic marker as the supreme court heard arguments for the first time on two cases involvingrights of gay couples and while the high court has yet to rule has the argument already been won in the court of public opini opinion? we'll talk about that next in a special discussion. peggy gets to stay with us. also joining me msnbc's al sharpton, ryan brown, nbc's justice correspondent pete williams who was at the court reporting this week. we'll have actor and gay rights can acne cleansers be tough on breakouts and be good for your face? [ female announcer ] now there's new neutrogena® naturals acne cleanser. acne medicine from the wintergreen leaf treats breakouts. no parabens or harsh sulfates. for naturally clear skin. [ female announcer ] neutrogena® naturals. then you'll love lactose-free lactaid® it's 100% real milk that's easy to digest so you can fully enjoy the dairy you love. lactaid®. for 25 years, easy to digest. easy to love. >>> for the second straight day the subject of same-sex marriage has been before the highest court in the land. two landmark cases in two days

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it reached a historic marker as the supreme court heard arguments for the first time on two cases involvingights of gay couples and while the high court has yet to rule has the argument already been won in the court of public opini opinion? we'll talk about that next in a special discussion. peggy gets to stay with us. also joining me msnbc's al sharpton, ryan brown, nbc's justice correspondent pete williams who was at the court reporting this week. we'll have actor and gay rights advocate rob reiner who was inside two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. and every day since, we've worked hard to keep it. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help people and businesses who were affected, and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open for everyone to enjoy -- and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. we've shared what we've learned with governments and across the industry so we can all produce energy more safely. i want you to know, there's another commitment bp takes just as seriously: our commitment to america. bp s

lou. >> shannon bream, fox news supreme court correspondent. our first guest here tonight to further ajude indicate the proposition 8 -- ajudjudicate t case, the political ram fagsz are digital politics editor chris stirewalt and, juan williams, columnist for the hill and, lis weihl, here with me in the new york studios. great to have you here. i've got to ask you. i listened to shannon's report as chief justice roberts is talking about the definition of friend and creating the analog with the supporters of proposition 8 and i never said it before about the chief justice but that was nonsensical. >>t didn't make any sense from a legal perspective and he tri to draw the analogy, labels mean everything, you know, the labels change and you are in the a fren-- not a friend. i'm trying to explain it, u and i'll give up. >> let me turn, this is of course an incendiary wedge issue and proposition 8 was decided by ref ref referendum. shouldn't the justices be weary indeed of messing with it? >> look, not only is it the law in california, but the law in

it has not been validated by the supreme court decision. -- it has now been validated by the supreme court decision. patent.fficult to get a it is difficult to get in many other countries. it is a strategy to extend the rights of an expired drug which is not encouraged in any country. 2005 isan laws after not deviating from this. i think this judgment valid is the thinking of the government and is a step in the right direction. >> a girl injured in a grenade attack on saturday has died. she was one of six children hurt when a man threw a grenade into her school and then opened fire. the school's principal was also killed. the school was attacked as the children gathered to receive exam results. stay with pakistan, 10,000 candidates have filed papers to run in next month's election. it is nearly 5000 fewer candidate than in 2008. the election commission has increased scrutiny. applications will be checked this week. the taliban in afghanistan is losing ground in an area considered to be its birthplace. afghan and coalition forces killed a high-ranking taliban in kandahar on sunday. bef

i have cancer because of it. >> the supreme court's ruling is expected in june.t the supreme court, danielle nottingham. >> critics say myriad charges $3,000 to test for the gene when it should cost less than $200. >>> the results are in but the loser is already calling for a recount after the presidential election in venezuela. nicholas madero who was hand picked by chavez has defeated the challenger. madero was chavez's vice president and has been running the country since the late president's death. he won with slightly more than 50% of the vote. madero said he's okay with the recount. >>> funeral preparations are underway in london for former prime minister margaret thatcher. police officers and soldiers rehearsed for the public funeral. some 700 armed service personnel were in place for the drill. it will rival that of princess diana in terms of the scope and number of people expected to attend. >>> in bally, an investigation continues into what caused a plane to miss the runway and careen into the ocean. 108 passengers and crew on board survived but at leas

correspondent lizzie wall is at the supreme court with more. well the big question at the supreme court today as whether or not you can pass a human genome sounds like a simple question but it has been done and quite complicated the plaintiffs in this case are medical societies and patient advocacy groups the cases against the biotech company called a myriad genetics now this company has patents on two g. and called b.r.c.a. one and b.r.c.a. two testing for these two genes the mutation of these two genes can determine if a patient is at risk for developing breast cancer myriad says they spent billions of dollars over the span of decades on research in tests and identifying these gene in the but opponents of these genes in say that no one person no company has the right has the power to the human body and they are saying that doing so is preventing and blocking other companies from moving forward with their own research with their own development and possibly creating treatments to breast cancer we haven't had breast cancer patients coming forwa

supreme court saying my right to an attorney has been violated. the supreme court had kind have been waiting for a case like this to come along. the timing was right. there had been several other cases that had come along that they had rejected and they accepted his case. in some ways it was interesting because they kind of stacked the deck in his favor by giving him an attorney who is this high-powered d.c. lawyer at the time. that was really to gideon's and at that and it was a sort of subtle thing from the u.s. supreme court to say we are really interested in this case and we argue now going to help gideon out in some ways by giving him this very powerful attorney. >> host: i thought it was ironic almost the last time that the indigent defendant has really an advantage over the state of florida. as you know in the book the lawyer representing the state of florida was it bruce jacob? very young and inexperienced and had never argued a case and wasn't even working at the state attorney general's office for the latter part of preparing for the cas

but now it seems to meet supreme court doesn't want to overturn that vote.hat's what it seems to me. >> i don't think so. if you listen to the argument that they're going to overturn the vote. >> i don't think they want to overturn the vote. because they know this time they are in really deep water. >> they can still do it. >> here is how. listen to the justices last week. they were asking about standing. should we have even take this case. should this case have a right to be here. it would go back to the state court which have already upheld or said that proposition 8 is out. >> bill: take it back to the state court. >> exactly. >> bill: state courts will overturn the will of the people. >> goes back -- california supreme court said justice von walker it should be upheld. they have a constitutional right to marriage. so that's where this is going to come down. >> only apply to california though if that happens. >> bill: it's nullifying the will of the people in california that's what it is. >> if they wanted to overturn it they could use that roamer equal p

temples and be in the churches -- and in the churches and in the courts, the culmination being that supreme court decision. but as we pay tribute to those extraordinary times and the court's, the supreme court's decision that signaled a real turning point in social policy and law, it's still easy to forget one segment of the population whose future was the center of the cause. and i'm referring to the children. not just the ones, however, who walked into the schools in the '50s, but also the ones who walked into schools now -- who walk into schools now, 50 years later. when i was approached to do a book for children about brown v. board of education, that's what i thought of, those two sets of children. of but the question for me was how to relate those events to young people who may have anything from no information at all to some vague memory of of a class lesson or some adult trying to describe the civil rights movement to them. and, of course, it may have been very much like telling them about the civil war. they may feel that didn't. so the -- that distant. so the question was how to make th

supreme court is faced with a special patent case today what's the patent for human genes you know that kind that make up your d.n.a. will investigate whether or not corporations can truly take ownership of the building blocks of life. and the people of venezuela elected a new president over the weekend. handpicked successor a nicolas maduro won in a razor thin victory war on the election results coming up. it is monday april fifteenth five pm in washington d.c. i make a locus and you are watching our t.v. well we begin this hour with breaking news out of boston two explosions went off this afternoon near the finish line of the boston marathon and we are just getting word from the police commissioner in a press conference that just ended moments ago saying that there was another explosion outside of the j.f.k. library in boston as well here's some new video that we got into the r t newsroom the boston globe is reporting that two people are dead and more than sixty four people are injured those numbers are expected to change now news of the blast started appearing on twitter just before

supreme court. my right to an attorney has been violated. i deserve an attorney if i am charged with a crime in this country. the supreme court had kind of been waiting for a case like this to come along it seems like. the timing was right. they kind of stacked the deck in his favor by appointing him this attorney who was this very, very high-powered d.c. lawyer at the time, and that was really to his benefit and it was a subtle signal from the supreme court that they were really interested in this case and were going to help him out in some way by giving him this very powerful attorney. >> host: it was ironic the first and almost last time the indigent defendant had an advantage over the state of florida because as you write in the book he was bruce jacob lew who was a young and inexperienced, never argued a case in the supreme court and wasn't even looking at the state attorney general's office for the latter part of the case which i gather he was doing on the nights and weekends. he was flying by the seat of his pants and had to argue bef

ownership were they but were about their ownership of the gene in the in the pleadings before the supreme court the court seemed to seem inclined to reject patents for d.n.a. itself but might allow them for sea d.n.a. was sort of history in d.n.a. and c.d.n. a what's what's the deal here yeah well that's a great question and first i should say i was so impressed by some of the questions that justice sotomayor asked about the class case c.d.n. a is a complementary d.n.a. and it's routinely generated in a less. pretty much anyone who knows molecular biology could do it with standard reagents and standard equipment in a lab and essentially if you isolate d.n.a. from a person you can. generate the complementary strand of a gene that you of interest and what myriad did years ago almost twenty years ago was they found the two sequences on chromosome seventeen and thirteen that were relevant to these two genes and they generated the c. d.n.a. using standard techniques and then they developed probes and other tests by which they could see if a woman in a particular woman has the mutation has a mutation

but the supreme court has said it's so.e same institution that once said that the indigenous were not human beings, codifying slavery did not violate the constitutions of liberty. the supreme court once said that women were not persons. thethe point i'm make something this the core and the power structure has been wrong before. they are profoundly wrong about this, and it will take a mass movement of organizing ordinary people. there is no quick fix. we're looking to corroborate with wolf pack and others to build this movement out. we're on a ten-year trajectory. there are going to be a lot of victories along the way and at the end of the day we'll transform the society we live in. >> cenk: i also asked dave how could we win. is it realistic? >> how do you mobilize people to influence the power structure enough which we have such trouble reaching to be able to make a difference to say no, we should go with the obvious idea that they're not human beings. >> it will take a mass movement in this country to make this power stru

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supreme court.said his own white house lawyer, harriet miers, was the most qualified choice, but many of his fellow republicans weren't having it. the votes weren't there in the u.s. senate, and so tonight, the miers nomination has been withdrawn. >> president george w. bush vanquished the democrats in his reelection effort in 2004. maybe it was that that made limit take his hold over his own side for granted in his second term as president, but he did take his side for granted in his second term as president, and it cost him repeatedly. today, president obama released his proposed budget in washington, as a pragmatic, tough-minded compromise. predictably, republicans hate it anyway, but this time so does a portion of the president's liberal base. liberals are calling it a betrayal, most particularly because it includes significant cuts to social security benefits. senator bernie sanders of vermont is calling the president's budget a bitter disappointment. literal groups are threatening to primary a

people may remember that election was decided by the supreme court. it went on for two or three months. it ended up being decided by the governors, bush's brother, a supreme court judge chosen by his father. >>> george bush was asked if he had ever been wrong and said he could not think of a time. he is still saying that. [laughter] humble man. we are about out of time. do you have a short question? >> what is the circulation of "the nation"? >> 1.5 million readers online and 160,000 paper circulation. paul newman was a great and loyal friend and supporter. his partner in crime, robert redford, has been a supporter. we have a circle of 100 people who give each year. 30,000 associates give little each month above the subscription price in the belief it is not just a media institution but a community. there are 40 discussion groups around the country. [applause] >> these people obviously support it for what it espouses and believes in. do they all know that you have dirty martinis and marvin gaye? >> you have to keep perspectives. everyone's work is dem

and i have cancer because of it. >> reporter: the supreme court's ruling is expected in gene r june. danielle nottingham, cbs news, the supreme court. >>> synthetic marijuana is one step closer to becoming illegal. the d.n.a. has changed the classification of the substances known as spice and k2. they cited the popularity of the drug and public health concerns and the move means that a ban on these substances can begin within 30 days. five other forms of the fake marijuana were banned two years ago. >>> police have tracked down a missing fairfax county boy and his mother in alabama. cameron serafin was due back at his father's home a week ago after spending two days with his mother 32-year-old rebecca serafin. she also goes by the name rebecca lover. detectives say they are concerned for the boy's safety. they are issued a felony arrest warrant for the mother. >>> rehoboth beach police are promising an internal investigation after an arrest that was recorded by a cell phone camera. we would like to warn you that this video is disturbing. it shows officers repeatedly using a taser in

. >> woodruff: and we talk with the supreme court's first female justice, sandra day o'connor about the court's storied history as told in her new book: "out of order." >> i think people know very little, really, about the court: how it works, and its history. and both of those things are important in our country. >> brown: and we remember roger ebert. the pulitzer-prize winning film critic known for giving movies a simple thumbs up or down, who died today. >> brown: that's all ahead on tonight's "newshour." >> major funding for the pbs newshour has been provided by: ♪ ♪ moving our economy for 160 years. bnsf, the engine that connts us. >> and by the alfred p. sloan foundation. supporting science, technology, and improved economic performance and financial literacy in the 21st century. >> and with the ongoing support of these institutions and foundations. and... >> this program was made possible by the corporation for public broadcasting. and by contributions to your pbs station from viewe like you. thank you. >> brown: there were new rumblings from north korea today, as it tried to bol

guest: who is going to belong to the supreme court? host: here as another supreme court incident -- [video clip] where concern i have is is the predictability and judge bork? what are the assurances that this committee and the senate has as to where you will be given the background and history? i don't know that you can really answer that i would be pleased to hear your comments. >> as a teenager and into byerly 20's, i was a socialist hardly seems to me to indicate fundamental instability. as winston churchill said, "any man who was not socialist before he is 40 has no heart, and a man who is a socialist after he has 40 has no head. ." i think that kind of evolution is very common in people. host: that was 1987. what happened to him? guest: those two characters use a dog -- one was the einstein of the law, bork, and arlen specter was the einstein of the senate. arlen specter was one of the toughest, hardest senators to lobby on anything let alone supreme court nominees. was smarter than rehnquist in many ways, a brilliant judge. he ta