supreme court justice has been impeached, is there a likely possibility ever that impeachment of a supreme court justice could happen after the election? >> well, i mean, there are people, democrats, who say of course they would like to impeach both gorsuch and kavanaugh because they're illegitimate, and i think kavanaugh gets more attention in that area. you know, i don't see it. the process is the process. they went through the process. you might not be happy about the way it worked or the way the republicans handled it or the outcome, but it would also require a republican senate and a 67-vote majority to impeach someone. i don't with see any of those numbers in the future. but you do hear people talk about it. and i say in the book that both of those guys are going to have an it's risk, sort of a roger maris asterisk after their names because of the way they got in. people really, the democrats really think the way they got -- certainly the scalia/garland seat was stolen from them, and these things linger for years, right? if you say something to republicans about the way they've handled this, they go, well, what about bork, right? and then if you say to the democrats, what about garland, right? these things, they just last forever, these kind of feuds. and i actually wasn't here the day of the actual vote on the last rules change which was on just the cutting of the debate to two hours, but i watched it later. and mitch mcconnell's there with schumer, and he goes you started this, you started this, you know? and that's the way -- that's what's going on in the senate right now which is also not doing anything else. there's no votes, there's nothing happening. the institution is almost becoming irrelevant except for nominations. >> carl, what's -- [inaudible] >> so the blue slip, i love the blue slip. people don't get it. so this was a super old tradition in the senate which, like the fill thely buster -- filibuster, was really used for bad with purposes. it was used by dixiecrats to hold up civil rights legislation. at the time james eastland, who no one's talked about for years until joe biden brings him up as his ally back in the day. of all the people you want to talk about. so james eastman becomes chairman of the judiciary committee and really ennowses this practice -- enforces this practice where he's not going to move any jobs unless the senators from the home states sign off on this blue slip of paper. and that lets the dixiecrats -- they want to control, definitely, who's in the federal judiciary in their states now, because that's who's opposing all these new rules. there's flexibility. and joe bide within again -- joe biden, he ignores blue slips from democratic senators, not republican senators. so it stays in, and this allows the republicans that even when harry reid got rid of the filibuster on nominations to block a bunch of judges. and there's a thing where trump talks about disingenuously about this all the time, oh, obama left us this gift, 100 judges. why didn't he fill them, was he lazy? well, of course, they didn't fill them because the republicans blocked them with blue slips. so once they got in, i actually asked mitch mcconnell for a podcast, what about the blue slip? oh, that's grassley, chairman. but my personal opinion, we need to get rid of the blue slip for appeals court judges. so on appeals court judge us, there's no longer blue slips. they rolled democrats in california, essentially on the ninth circuit, because, i mean, trump's trying to remake that. there's really no break on either party. you can get anybody through, and you see it. every day they're doing nominees and democrats are screaming. we just approved someone who will say that brown v. board of education was decided correctly. that's kind of the way it is. >> [inaudible] >> okay, one more. come on. >> in the unlikely event that a democrat wins the presidency and republicans hold the senate, and let's say clarence thomas leaves the court for some reason, are they going to -- >> yeah. so mcconnell was actually asked this very question. now, there was more attention focused on mcconnell saying he would consider a judge in 2020 despite saying previously e let the people decide. so but this is a whole separate issue, and he was asked and kind of an interesting answer. okay, there's a democratic president, republican senate, can any supreme court nominee get through? and he said, well, you know, if it was early in the first year, it'd be politically unsustainable to not have a hearing and a vote on someone. you'd have to have a hearing and a vote. but that doesn't mean they'd be confirmed. so, and that was his quote. so you'd have the, you'd have the idea that there'd be a hearing, but they could easily vote that person down. actually, mcconnell -- and he talked about how there probably wouldn't be any vacancies certainly right now on the liberal side, i just liked his phrasing here, he said without a significant life-ending event. [laughter] if oh, you mean somebody died? i don't know any inch significant life-ending -- insignificant life-ending events. [laughter] you know, this is going to go on for a long time, and it's a big problem. and there are people up there that know it, but there's very little they can do about it. >> [inaudible] >> well, he's got this opponent now, she's going to have a gazillion dollars, bec