but that tells the story of retailers, desperate to open at this stage let's get to our guest, suren. i want to ask you about the gdp numbers. a couple of bright spots we clearly note the numbers are going to get worse what is your view on the future and what these numbers represent today? >> caller: these numbers are looking a little in the rearview mirror it is telling of the record gdp in march and also the broad based nature of the slow down. we saw all the main sectors with big drops and outputs in the first quarter. given the speed in our uk economy will largely get bigger and more significant drops in gdp in the second quarter. we've seen banks and others probably in the right ballpark what we are likely to see. >> can i ask you about red tape around coronavirus there have been concerns about companies that might be facing cash flow issues and suggested that flying experts in the production line might be an issue because of the 14-day quarantine what do you make of big business they might have to contend with? >> depending on what the business are and in the area where people c

suren be because you are of your principles in advance. that was the case with taft. brian: in the book jeffrey rosen wrote about william howard taft, there was a quote, summary called him -- somebody called him a great hater. did you see that in him? michael: he had his moments. and in his moments he could be not just angry but hateful. brian: did it work? michael: not for him. hafer louiss louisis -- hate for brandeis. i think it worked more for brandeis than taft. negative toreacted brandeis and part because he was jewish. a presidentnt, when becomes that way, somebody who hates somebody -- notice lincoln tried really hard not to hate the enemy. even right before he died at his great second inaugural address. he is still trying to hand out a hand to the other side, to find a way to bring people together. great presidents do that. awful presidents do not. robert, or any of the presidents you studied haters? buchanan did not seem to be a hater. he did not get along with one guy in particular, stephen douglas, and that was one guy. it doesn't seem that there were that