surrey east, is it? which surrey was that, i wonder. oh, well? i'm not sure. surrey east i think it was. yes. well, now i've opinion joined here by one of the most distinguished figures of british political coverage, of election coverage who has covered every election since 1950 who invented the whole concept of swing which is known as butler swing. who's written studies of almost every election, who i worked with in the first election i presented way back in 1979. and so he really is the guru of gurus of elections. david, in want to ask you what you make of this election? >> well, it's fascinating for a nerd like me and you who like elections. it is a very -- it's been a various on-story the election as a whole. the result produces very difficult problems for all the parties. and one finds very difficult to see how they can be solved with a lasting -- in a lasting way and i'm afraid i have -- i have to say that we shall see another election before very long because i don't see the compromises that are necessary for an understanding let alone a coalition being

we've got to present a message that is compelling to a disaffected, surrey elect that had they can hearange reflected in what we're promoting. >> jamie: joe, in terms of these two special elections, is finishing close good enough for the democrats? >> no. look, i agree completely this is first an anti--incumbent year, and second, because democrats control the agenda, have the house and senate and the presidency, midterm elections are always bad for the party that has that power. we're going to lose seats in november. i think this is really -- there could be psychological blows. if credits doesn't pull out the seat, i think that's really just going to demoralize a lot of democrats out there who are hopeful that they can hold these losses to a minimum. but you see signs all over that the republicans can lose some of their incumbents as well. you're seeing bennett in utah lose. you're seeing this go across the board. it's anti--incumbent right now and i don't know that we can read anything else into it other than that. >> jamie: at least with these two races, two very important seats. we'r