susan: what era? kathy: this was taken in january of 1946, about six months after the war, the army decides to reveal the existence eniac of, so they took press pictures. the team got ready for demonstration day in february. most of the poses show the height of the computer, it was eight feet tall, 30 tons, huge machine. they are positioning people around it. susan: what does the name eniac stand for? kathy: electronic integrator and computer. this was the world's first general-purpose, electronic computer. the first modern computer. it's the grandmother of everything we use today. susan: in your book, you say not only were women missing from i.t. history, but most of it focused on hardware. kathy: i wrote my junior and senior paper on these women. the subtitle was men are hard, women are soft. men seem to be involved in the hardware. there seems to be a missing piece of computer history that had to do with software, and that seemed to be women. i was discovering the tip of the iceberg. there seemed t

susan: why?avid: it's getting better, and we will make an announcement just have better it's gotten, but we are still dealing with some agencies that will not relinquish information because of concerns about personally identifiable information. susan: how much is left? david: i am waiting to hear that. i asked that this morning. i want the figure. susan: so, what do you hope for public access will reveal and do for us -- david: there is no there there. that is what i'm hoping happens. susan: another controversy was the women's suffrage photo. david: mistake on our part. a hard lesson learned. susan: would you explain what happened? david: we altered a photograph from the washington post, i forget. susan: the centennial. david: the centennial for the white -- right to vote for women. the exhibit opening outside the exhibit gallery as you walk by, the 1919 protest march as you walk by, you will see the women's march. in the women's march, two of the posters being held or blurred. and that was done

susan: tell me about the economic team.f you look at the ledger of good appointments and bad, people give credit to the economic team he put together. ryan: first and foremost was the secretary of the treasury. a lot of conservatives in congress were happy with that pig. -- pick. mellon was one of the richest men in america, the famous family. he was a great secretary of the treasury. harding brought coolidge into the operation of the government. up until coolidge, vice presidents were generally forgotten. people hated the job. harding brought coolidge in, they had discussions before the inauguration about who to pay, coolidge was in the cabinet meetings, one of the first vice presidents to be invited. they passed a budget. the u.s. government did not have a budget before warren harding. most people don't know that. there was no comprehensive budget like we do now. he named charles dall to that team, he was instrumental in getting control of spending and cutting wasteful spending. they cut spending 50%. his economic team wa

susan: unpack the results. what did they do for the plaintiffs involved in larger biotech and patent laws? jorge: there were a lot of effects. the immediate effect on the market was literally the day the decision was announced, competing labs announced they were now offering brca testing. some at half the price. competition was introduced into the marketplace immediately. that gave access to many more people. it broke the monopoly. but, the implications were much broader than just this one company. the aclu was not out to get myriad genetics. this was a case about a principal. all of those patents covering human genes, though technically they still remained on the books. they are not enforceable at all. whether it is cystic fibrosis or whatever the case may be, the jeans are not patentable. this had an interesting effect. it has enabled more research to occur. it has taken away some barriers to more advanced forms of testing. there was a lot of hesitation. susan: what happened economically to myriad? >> myriad

even susan's children were standing by their stepfather. >> susan's children with the first who werend if i knew of any reason somebody or some person might have been there. and i don't think that they believed it. >> over the next few months though with the help of some unique forensic evidence the da would put together a novel theory of just what happened between husband and wife. something maybe greenly fitting for valentine's day. >> she was talking about leaving him. and so, the motive was love lost. >> the state of oklahoma charged dr. john hamilton with just loving his wife today. >> coming up -- the prosecutor had seemed headers work cut out for him. >> i've never ever one second not one moment in time ever thought that he was guilty, ever. >> when dateline continues. hen dateline continues claritin provides non-drowsy symptom relief from over 200 indoor and outdoor allergens, day after day. feel the clarity and make today the most wonderful time of the year. live claritin clear. kids, one year they want all dinosaurs stuff the next, camels. - llamas. - llamas. so save money

susan: reaction? prof.arton: she is just one of my favorites and she is a perfect example of that. she was basically a solo practitioner. she had a storefront legal practice where she took whatever came in the door. she was an elected official, i think she was the republican leader of the senate. she rose really high in that regard and then she was a state court judge and she brought all that diverse experience to the court. brought a lot of richness of experience and wisdom to the court for sure. susan: chief justice earl warren. we are going to play a clip with him reflecting on brown versus board from 1969 and then i want to talk to you about reaching unanimity on that decision. [video clip] >> when the american people as a whole recognize that they have in the past the wrong in depriving certain minorities of constitutional rights. when we make the decision to see in the future they have those rights and i think we are on the way to solving domestic problems. susan: it was important that brown v board b

susan: let me jump to the bottom line.ou describe the world in which we currently live and the future as one that is both dynamic and dangerous. are our intelligence agencies functioning and organized in a way that is appropriate? amy: not yet is the short answer. we are living in a moment of reckoning akin to 9/11, where the intelligence community has to undergo a radical transformation and reimagining to deal with the threats that are driven by new technology. i think about these threats, driven by technologies in terms of five wars they create. -- five "mores" they create for the intelligence community. more threats that can work across vast differences, more speed, much faster paces, more data that intelligence analysts have to confront, more customers that don't have security clearances that need intelligence, people like voters who need to understand foreign election interference, and more competitors. that is probably the most challenging more, which is that u.s. intelligence agencies do not dominate the analysis an

>> susan, susan bernstein. >> ira's wife.rlfriend had cooked up a cold blooded plan to end his marriage problems for good. but detectives fitzgerald and louzan didn't think kelly was working alone. >> we're thinking of a scenario. >> so they asked marckensy to push kelly for a meeting with her partner. and she agreed it was a good idea. >> i thought you said you guys talked it over, you guys minority. >> yeah, we did. >> and then it happened. later that night, they both showed up. >> who was kelly's partner in crime? and how far will they go to get the deed done? coming up -- >> listen, the money is not the problem. i'll tell you right now. >> and together they have a new job for the hitman. >> i think once this is done, he'll feel more comfortable. to move ahead with that right way. >> this is a huge moment in our case. >> this is where this whole story goes a little bit hollywood? >> yes, literally. >> when "dateline" continues. at 4 months, after just 2 doses. skyrizi may increase your risk of infections and lower your abi

susan: why so long?sica: that is because it takes -- the samples are not due back for another decade because this is the first chapter in a trilogy of events that need to get samples back. the next two chapters come about. those involve another rover, a dune buggy, it will collect the very samples perseverance has been leaving behind. it will leave about 41 in total. each is about the size of your little pinky, the total payload is about the size of a loaf of bread. there will then be another rocker that goes out to collect -- rocket that will meet up with the defense rover and drop off the samples to that rocket, catching that in its belly in space, then they will be brought back to earth and sent into the desert in utah, landing in parachutes and then across the world into various laboratories. all of this excitement and technological to bring this back to earth where it can be disseminated into various labs. susan: one of the tools on the swiss army knife is an onboard helicopter, the first time any r

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susan: ok. to that history. i encourage readers to look back in time farther than i will start, because there is much to learn on great stories about the early days of the republic. but i want to start with the men that authored the piece you referred to, sam warren and louis brandeis. louis brandeis is more familiar. who is sam warren? prof. gajda: he is very important in this essay. he was a lawyer from a very rich family. he went to harvard law school, where he met louis brandeis. they went into practice together in boston. they had a law firm together. warren was of great interest to the media at the time. the reason why he was of such interest, and not louis brandeis, who was becoming more familiar as a lawyer, but sam warren, the reason why he was of such interest was because he was from a rich family. his family owns one of the largest paper mills in the country. they were millionaires. so the media was very interested in them. but what really sparked media interest in sam warren was when he married the d

susan: who are the protesters?ouisa: that day, those protesters surrounding the legislature were mainly young people in their 20's and 30's. some in their teens. over time, the people protesting in 2019 encompassed all portions of society. 2 million people estimated to turn out at the march and you know, i went to many of those marches with young people, old people, well-educated people, people with little education. it was a real cross-section of society. so many people felt their interests and their future were threatened by the changes proposed. susan: you say at times protesters became frighteningly violent. louisa: it's true. the protesters, although they started off peaceful, they became more radical and more violent as time went by. there was an incident with fire by protesters, there was an incident where people, a couple of journalists were treated in violent fashion five protesters. there were instances where the use of malt of cocktails, flaming bows and arrows, these are all commonly used by protesters.

susan castellanos: ¡oh!do a second harvest para la ayuda de la comida; de la misma manera, nosotros, o yo misma, como mi experiencia, invito a otras personas para que no les dé pena, es, no es, este, no les debe de dar pena, no, porque es una situación en la que cualquier persona puede estar, y además no vas a dejar a tu hijo sin un plato de comida, en la mesa; eh, los niños no saben, no saben si, si papá o mamá, o abuelita o abuelito, quien esté al cuidado de ellos, o quien sea su tutor, eh, son, o tienen las posibilidades para, para darles un plato de comida, y entonces, qué mejor, que second harvest para ir con ellos; ellos no les piden nada, o sea, no es como otros lugares que van y te piden id o, ah, hasta recibos de renta, o cualquier otra, otro tipo de cosas, absolutamente nada, solo tienes que dar tu nombre, y listo, y ellos te, te ayudan, y te proveen lo necesario que necesitas para, para, para alimentarte; y la verdad, como decía antes, la cantidad de alimentos que les proveen es, es completa, y es

susan -- host: susan, do you have more information about that? susan: it is such small potatoes compared to the january 6 investigation, compared to what happened with the documents, sensitive documents down in mar-a-lago. i hear you. i have never been in a situation like this where it wouldn't be a huge story. there -- host: our next caller is joel from mountain home on the republican line. caller: hello. host: go ahead. caller: good morning. happy weekend to you. sorry you have to work today. i only have about 4 things i want to discuss with you. i think it was a shame that they keep picking on president trump. with 6 years now, they have gone after this man. he was impeached twice. he told us during the campaign that they are. only coming after him, but they are -- they are not only coming after him, but they are coming after us. good prices are up, housing prices are up, and when president joe biden took office, he signed 18 executive orders, and i don't even think he knew what he was signing. back to dick cheney --he is the one who got us in

susan: do you happen to know -- susan: do you happen to know if they became judges? ladoris: it is too soon to tell. when i created the program, it was at 2001 or the end of 2000. 10 years out, some of them might. i haven't followed up on them. if i say around 2012-2013. you have given me a great idea to follow up and find out if they are. at this point, i don't know if they have. susan: he referenced the election of judges. explained to our audience that electing them was the norm before hand but you said it does not work for the citizenry today. why not? ladoris: judicial elections are controlled by special interest groups who have a lot of money. judicial elections are all about campaigning, all about raising money, all about getting tv ads. radio ads and it all takes money. what has happened with the supreme court's around our states. there is a federal system where we have a court with nine judges and then we have our state court judges and the focused on trial judges but there are about 30,000 trial court judges and then there are appellate judges who review de

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so it was hard on susan. that was the thing that was so difficult, because all of her friends kind of immediately took it up and made fun of it. to this day, she still resents it. but, you know, life doesn't always have a bit of roses. >> mrs. ford, i have a question. i'm a church from the orange county superior court. i started with another judge, and i would like to ask you a question about drug court. drug court treats nonviolent drug addicts who have an addiction, who instead of being incarcerated, are given an opportunity. what are your thoughts on something like that? >> well, my feeling is unless we have education and treatment for people, the drug problem is going to go on and on. i certainly believe that treatment is much better than incarceration when it is appropriate. there are times where repeated offenses, that are causing very damaging accidents, and endangering peoples lives is not -- it's probably not appropriate. because, they've had that opportunity, and it has worked. does that answer your

susan: correct.latest minions movie, however, viewers noticed a change to the end of the movie. we'll tell you what china added. >>> new home sales plummet to a 6 and a half year low. how much trouble is housing in? economist john lonski will tell us after this. ♪ oh, she's a brick house. ♪ she's mighty, mighty, just letting it all hang out. ♪ she's a brick house ♪ stuart: let's not spend too much time on this because there's virtually no movement in stock prices. dow's down 15, nasdaq is up 6 points. not much movement. but lonski's with us, which is very important. on the screen right now 3.08%, john, that is the yield on the 10-year treasury. you think that spells trouble for the economy. you spell out the trouble. >> oh, i think it does. look at what's going on with housing. let's not forget that mortgage yields peaked back in june, and since then they drop by about half a percentage point. but did that help housing in any way whatsoever? no. we actually had a drop by mortgage applications for the

robert and susan rosenbaum. the corporation for public broadcasting and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> once again, from washington, moderator yamiche alcindor. yamiche: good evening and welcome to "washington week"." this week president biden signs the inflation reduction act. it is one of his biggest achievements yet. the democrats say it will do with a number of things including lower health care costs and tackle climate change. the white house was celebrating its win for the second week the former president donald trump was dominating the headlin. the follow-up from the fbi search from classified documents continues. on thursday a judge ruled the justice department must redact parts of the search affidavit ahead of releasing it. and there were even more trump headlines. in a landslide on tuesday, liz cheney of wyoming lost her primary race to harriet hagman. cheney is the eighth of ten republican house members who voted to impeach trump to lose a primary or retire. c

susan -- host: susan, do you have more information about that? is such small potatoes compared to the january 6 investigation, compared to what happened with the documents, sensitive documents down in mar-a-lago. i hear you. i have never been in a situation like this where it wouldn't be a huge story. there -- host: our next caller is joel from mountain home on the republican line. caller: hello. host: go ahead. caller: good morning. happy weekend to you. sorry you have to work today. i only have about 4 things i want to discuss with you. i think it was a shame that they keep picking on president trump. with 6 years now, they have gone after this man. he was impeached twice. he told us during the campaign that they are. only coming after him, but they are -- they are not only coming after him, but they are coming after us. good prices are up, housing prices are up, and when president joe biden took office, he signed 18 executive orders, and i don't even think he knew what he was signing. back to dick cheney --he is the one who got us into the war

joining me now are susan shirk and richard haass. susan is chair of the 21st century china center at uc san diego, and her new book will be published in october. it is called "overreach: how china derailed its peaceful rise." and richard haass was director of policy planning in george w. bush's state department, he's now the president of the council on foreign relations. susan, let me begin with you and ask was this avoidable? >> well, once, of course it was avoidable. once nancy pelosi decided to go to taiwan, the chinese side had a choice of how to respond. they got an explanation from the united states about the division of authority between the white house and congress, but china chose to react very strongly and one of the main motivations was xi jinping's domestic political situation. he's in the middle of a campaign for a third term that he hopes to receive at the party congress in the fall. and he was struggling quite a bit because of policy misjudgments that he himself had made over the past year or two. so the economy was sl

on betty my jack's team susan and gail. to come down with me and to listen while betty wrote read a statement that i have sent to. governor carter i may call on the real spokesman for the family betty the president asked me to tell you. that he telephone president like carter a short time ago and congratulated on his victory. the president also wants to thank all those thousands. of people who work so hard on his behalf. and the millions who supported him with their votes. it's been the greatest honor. of my husband's life to have served his fellow americans during two of most difficult years in our history. and to join him and giving your united support to press and elect carter as he prepares to assume his new responsibilities. that was betty ford speaking of the straightforward manner to which americans became accustomed in the nearly two and a half years. she lived in the white house. the concession statement she delivered on behalf of a horse president gerald ford ending. the 1976 campaign was not the end of her own po

i agree largely with susan. i was surprised that kansas voted way they did.n more surprised by margin. i think it speaks to, am i surprised that it speaks to where a lot of us who believe that we are right in the middle on this issue, obviously, the great president clinton frame of legal, rare and safe, the 15, 14, 18-week window and then restrictions after that, i think what probably appalled people and really surprised, i think, a lot of independents and moderate democrats and republicans alike was the seeming opposition -- or, i should say, wanting to criminalize health care to women. and with with that even no protections for victims, women -- girls and women who are victims of rape and incest. i think you combine all of that, and i think that's where the media attention was right. now, i think there's a political side to this. the question is democrats overreach. i think there's some in my party who have advocated for abortion on demand. i'm not for that, and i think on the republican side there's a belief that they want an all-out ban. and kansas showed

susan, welcome from your home in texas.covered susan as a reporter since she was 16 years old. those times when you moved into the white house, flowers were everywhere. >> my mother loved flowers. she was happy to have fresh flowers in her house, and i like to have fresh flowers in my house here. >> absolutely. and at the white house there is an elaborate hierarchy. there is a full-time florist on the staff. i have seen the cart going around in the white house putting fresh flowers on almost every table on a daily basis. did your mom get involved with that? was there a greenhouse on the property where she could come in and choose things? >> there was not a greenhouse on the property, and if there is a greenhouse somewhere else, i never got to see it. she loved the fresh flowers, and the white house did beautiful fresh flowers. you have to remember that when we moved in, it was a tumultuous time. i don't think mother got involved in the flowers as quickly as she would have -- that would have been something she would have cho

so 9/11. 9/11. 9/11, susan was eight months pregnant with theodore. my mother-in-law, her mom, worked at the world trade center. i had lots of friends at the world trade center, my offices were south of canal. it was just a very stressful time. - eye-opening. - correct. and then we moved out here. this was our country house, at the time. and then this became your permanent residence. this was it. release the hounds! go sheep! go sheep, go sheep, go sheep! corporate america to livestock farming, that must be some sort of a transition. tell me a little bit about that. it was a difficult transition, some transition. [baaing] oh, that was an action shot! susan jaffe: we were used to just the proximity of people. so, yeah. so that was a shock. johnny devenanzio: you couldn't think of a more polar opposite lifestyle. manhattan, the busiest metropolitan city on the planet to then, i mean, one of the most remote, insanely beautiful, calm environments. because of where we are, it's just so isolated and remote. that's when marc got it in his head that we would

bbg ventures managing partner, susan lyne. thank you.up, galaxy digital wants to end its acquisition of bitco, but the company is fighting back. we will tell you how. this is bloomberg. ♪ emily: elon musk isn't the only walking away from deals in the one crypto world. galaxy digital says it is terminating its acquisition of bitgo. 1.2 billion dollar deal there, citing that bitgo failed to deliver its audited financial statements for the year 2021. investors have been waiting a long time for this deal to close. now we know that galaxy is looking to terminate this deal and bitcoin wants them to pay the termination fee. sonali: and bitgo once them to pay the termination fee. if you look at the statements by bitgo's lawyers, they are saying that it is pretty audacious that mike novogratz and galaxy would blame that on this merger, they call it absurd. both galaxy and mr. nova gratz have been distracted, they say, by the terra luna fiasco. or it has been acting in bad faith and faces damages of that much or more. again, kind of like twitter h

susan: for brookfield assets?4 a share, because i think that dividend's pretty high at at the point. s&p 500 winners, halliburton, cf industries, mosaic company. no big names really. nasdaq composite, okta, swell's on -- intel's on that list, nvidia, fox corporation, netflix all there. where's the 10-year treasury yield? susan: 3%. i'm checking the yield, but 3%, that's -- can. stuart: absolutely, 3.06 on the 10-year. the price of gold morn being, 1752. bitcoin, $21,500. the price of oil, 92.97, so that's going up. nat gas we just showed you, 14-year high, and the average price for a gallon of regular gasoline is 3.89. for diesel -- susan: intel, 4.3% dividend yield, so that's impressive. i didn't know it was that high. [laughter] wow. stuart: not bad at all. coming up on the show today, elon musk demanding jack dorsey turn over information on pick twitter accounts. and remember that small, money-losing new jersey deli we told you about? your hometown deli that was once owned by a publicly-traded company and value

susan lee will join us in a few moments with breaking details. the twitter story matters 9/11 you don't own the stock because -- even if you don't own the stock because it's a top drag on the s&p 500. with the 5.5% clip at the moment, it is at the very top of the laggards here and metatropics and hell tell flex e the followers there. you can't blame the laggards and trading volume ahead of jay powell's big speech on friday at the symposium in jackson hole, wyoming. we have volume 10% lower than the one month average for the big board trades. that's pretty significant here. as we wait on that, what looks good? believe it or not, some consumer discretionary retailers, macys and dick's sporting good up higher. macys came in at a dollar a share andy's warned of consumer spending of the year and investors are piling in. also beating on earnings expectations, dick's raised full year guidance and ahead of earnings after the bell, nordstrom's hitching a ride on macys success and nordstroms better buy 2% on the deck after that quarterly report. ape, the p

i turned to superteacher susan to get some answers. we first met union school district susan lavalle the teacher on special assignment was teaching kids to read over zoom early in the pandemic. now that distance learning is starting to feel like a distant memory and kids have had a full school year back on campus. how did they do? so how were the young readers when they came back for this first year back in class were they were they should be or a little bit behind? some were doing just fine and a lot of them weren't 20% of our student. regulation at my particular school needed reading intervention to happen right away. most were first graders. susan says the rate of first graders coming in needing reading support was three times greater than in any other grade level. we had a lot of first graders coming in with no lettering sound recognition. and so we were doing a full kindergarten year and then jumping right into what they needed to know in first grade most of these children susan explains were english language learners that were al

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oh you all know who susan b anthony was right the great suffragist. well, it would have been oh there she is in the in the fall of of 72 so women's groups came and said we would like to give a bust of susan b anthony to the white house. so we think it would be appropriate thing. i thought that was a great idea since i said fine and what they did was to have her made. she's a copy of the marble one in the capital. she is in bronze. she was made in upstate, new york. excuse me. and then they had her delivered to my office. and we had to get a date to present to the white house. it would be to mrs. nixon, which also tells you something about the times not to the president but to mrs. nixon, that's fine. we're going to find a date between the time she was delivered and when we could get the date she lived in the closet in my office. third floor of the eisenhower office building and in the dead of night, sometimes she would steal out of that office. out of that closet and go and land in the office of someone in the white house who had set or done something

susan phillips. the health officer for the city and county of san francisco. as health officer issuing the declaration to affirm our commitment to the wellbeing of the communities that dr. colfax mentioned, the lgbtq xhungties. to alloy us to move more quickly, to obtain and distribute the resources needed to help those who are disproportionly impacted and within the lgbtq community we know latino men who are gay many bisexual men, other men who have sex with men and trans individuals are impacted so happy to work with community based organizations such as dr. tyler (inaudible) here today with the san francisco aids foundation and amazing team and partners who have particular expertise and work in from within and for latino communities in san francisco. san francisco will not leave anyone behind in this crittle moment. we understand the difficulties and trying to get vaccinated. and let's make no mistake, even though one died of monkeypox in san francisco it is causing severe suffering and pain for many individuals. there are people who are unable to eat due t

i agree with susan, this is a situation where it is all just to meet.o not solve crimes like this in 24 hours. and if you know enough about a crime like this, and it's about to occur, you prevent the crime from happening. so we do not know exactly what's the relationship between the father alexander dugan and putin is. there is some speculation that he is quote, putin's brain unquote. there is other word that he was not quite that close to putin and i tend to go with that. that thought process. but this is a situation where the crime is just too neat. has all of the hallmarks of a professional hit job. but the few people that can commit professional hit jobs actually worked for putin at least most of them do. so is there something that happened between those people and putin? is there something else going -- but this is a situation where the crime is just too neat. has all of the hallmarks of a professional hit job. but the few people that can commit professional hit jobs actually worked for putin at least most of them do. so is there something that hap

i'm jennifer palmieri, and i'm very excited to welcome my friend susan paige to annapolis. i'm a proud edgewater. yay. i'm a proud edgewater anne arundel county resident. i susan i have known each other for a long time because she's covered a lot of people i worked for i was hillary clinton's communications director barack obama's communications director worked for president clinton, john. edwards john edwards presidential campaign and you know in some ways it's the losses. i think this i think nancy blows you would say the same we would say the same thing you kind of grow and think about and learn from you know, the losses and you know a tough situation like the edward family more than other than other situations then the victories which come a little easy and susan so susan and i have first met her where you know, if she was usa today when i work for president clinton and very happy to i'm not sarah alfred states that are help with supposed to do this. they're in session. so sarah asked me if i would moderate that i was like susan page. i'm talking about nancy pelosi. thi