and michael wattly, before the break, you heard susan casey levtowichz talk about there's alternatives, to leave the stuff in the ground because of the potential and downsides to taking it out. how do you respond. >> the government of canada. the industry, the government of alberta made it clear that they are anticipating this. they believe that their oil is going to be developed. it will be moved to market. the alternatives are bring it down keystone xl. put it on rail. or you can move it over to the pacific coast and send it in to other markets and replace it with oil coming in from venezuela and middle east. of all of those scenarios, given that keystone will be the safest pipeline built in the united states and have a lower carbon emission rate than any other rate, we feel it's the best move for the environment. in addition, it's going to bring discounted oil down, and the oil price that went this is what sets the gasoline prices. this will reduce prices. these are conclusions that are in the state department reportism. >> charles, there are some profiles of alternative routes, alt