susan collins of maine. but they might loseouple because some democrats are in tough reelection fights in states trump won big andhey might lose them. so there are not a lot of good options >> i think we need to really think about the -- what the eademocratic partydership is doing.

do you think there is any kind of a warning shot there from susan collins? >> i think to some extent. but here is the deal on roe versus wade. first, it is well established now that no supreme court nominee is going to say anything specifically about that other than the fact that they respect precedent. but i think that for people who are closely concerned with this issue, it's not so much whether roe v. wade is overturned. because even if you assume that the president's nominee is determined to do that, that may not be enough. it may not amount to five votes. because the only conservative on the court who's ever said anything specifically about roe v. wade is clarence thomas. so we don't know how samuel alito or even chief justice john roberts would vote on that question. justice roberts may say 45 years of precedent deserves some respect. where the action has been on abortion rights is in the states, on state laws restricting access to abortion, like the law in texas that last year the supreme court overturned that said in order to be able to provide abort

i think democrats should be thinking of strategies to work with susan collins to try to win over susan postpone the vote. maybe ensure there are extensive hearings. i think they can mobilize their base all they want. they need a little republican help here to slow things down. >> you said you wish kennedy hadn't retired. it's a day so many republicans have been waiting for so matter how they feel about donald trump. you don't have to be a trump supporter to be excited about the fact there will be a 5-4 majority. >> i said the suspect the person is someone i will agree more than kennedy in this really overheated political environment, it doesn't matter. it would have been healthier to not have this fight over the next few months. kennedy was a pretty reliable conservative vote this year. roe v wade will not be overturned 5-4. i don't think chief roberts will overturn. i'm not saying people shouldn't calm down. they can make their cases all they want. we're going to have extremely fierce debate now and it's going to heighten political passions in way that's probably not very healthy over

by that time there might be enough pressure on republican senator susan collins of maine and lisa murkowski to vote against a judge that would overturn roe versus wade. they're the only two pro-choice republican senators. so if jeff flake does not back down from what he said he would do to block trump judges before he knew that one of the judges he would have to block would be a supreme court justice, then jeff flake could create a dynamic situation on the senate floor where anything could happen. the democrats might be able to hold all of the democrats then in opposition to a trump supreme court nomination. and then, on the senate floor, it would only take that one republican to kill the nomination. and if jeff flake is that one republican, he would then leave the united states senate with a very important place in history. leading off our discussion now, jill wine banks, neera tanden, and ron klain, former chief counsel to the senate judiciary committee and an obama administration official. he has worked on several senate confirmations of supreme court justices in his senate staff positio

first susan collins had a consistent answer and was asked about this a she said she won't ever ask a judge how he or she will rule on a specific case but she grills them onec ent and she personally believes that roe versus wade is settled law. and i asked lisa murkowski and we had a 10-minute diussion on a stairwell and she said roe vers wade is a significant factor but not the only factor for her. she is aware of the pressures she fac already. she is under the pressure cooker a lot considering her independent streak and buck the party leadership.it bus anybody's depess. robert: they are not the onlyer ones u pressure. the red state states, itkamp, joe mamp chin of west virginia. >> and right before the election, they don't want to be getting crossways how trump voters and do they approach this? theys. need democr heidi and you can't alienate them either. you sayi' glad i'm not a senator. that will be a tough and then the interesting thing, say someone breaks away, one of the republicans, one -- what do the democrats do, do they want to put the president trumpominee on the supreme co

this is potentially going to change the balance of power. >> mara mentions susan collins. e versus wade. goldstein said that's a major thin here. collins and murkowski are republicans for choice. >> exactly. you have to consider who the nominee is. you have to consider the 150 federal court vacancies. the way it animated the republican base. look at the exit polling. all of our reporting confirms this is a top priority for trump voters. you have republicans responding to that energy in their base. we will see if democrats start to respond in kind in midterms. >> what about the point that noah is making, the democratic wanted to fight last year against neil gorsuch. they did the filibuster. the republican said we will nuke the filibuster. it's gone. democrats don't have that tool. they are sitting on 49 votes. is there any second-guess on that. >> it's interesting. democratic voters are getting quite an education right now about the power of not just the presidency but also what these judicial appointments can mean. i think it is an issue that has animated republican voters,

those senators, nbc news is reporting tonight that white house council don mcgahn reached out to susan collins and lisa murkowski to discuss the vacancy. the two confirmed the call to nbc news. and sarah sanders tweeted senators collins and murkowski met with donald trump tonight to discuss the future of the supreme court. she also says, quote, potus team also talked with more than a dozen other senators today as part of an outreach to get views and advice from both sides of the aisle. so we're still very early in the nomination process and the strategy of the two sides are still being worked out. one thing is certain. the people who may ultimately have the most power to influence who becomes the next nominee to the supreme court are the american people. as joe biden said today, the price to be paid for putting our values at risk must be clear now. joining us now christopher khang, now the chief council of demand justice, and also joining us jason johnson politics editor at the root.com and kareem gene pierre. >> i'm going to start with you because you organized the rally today been i feel the

and the question is, i guess, can democrats peel off susan collins and lisa murkowski who are nominallyot very likely. >> and do you think that if the democrats raise hell, as sang ella wants them to, that helps or hurts whatever chance they have in getting susan collins and lisa murkowski to come to their side. >> the goal is to get people who are constituents who feel disenfranchised and vote to in align with them and if they see a weak spine, that is not to their benefit. but in terms of being consistent in hypocrisy we're talking about the importance of mid-term elections and a statement and example used about the russia collusion to wrap things up from doj because you don't want anything to infringe on that and so if it is important to the justice department it should be consistent with the supreme court justice so i have a difficult time hearing people talk about the idea you could be dismissive of an election cycle whether it is presidential or midterm where it is a point of contention as to why that particular investigation should go away until later. >> do you think that this i

it has different stakes including for some republican senators such as susan collins and such as lisa murkowski and even jeff flake and bob corker, people who have been critical of donald trump. so there has to be a nominee who is palatable on these contentious cultural issues. >> susan what, about the timing? i mean, for whatever reason justice kennedy decided to drop this bomb today a few days before july, the big election on whether the senate will be republican or democrat controlled is coming up in november. there will be what do you call vacations or working at home periods between now and then. they're going to race this baby through. do you think they're going to try to do it? i think they will. will the democrats be able to stop them? >> it's hard to see what tactics democrats have available to them to stop this with the republican party in control of the senate. you'd have to swing a republican vote your way and hold all the democrats. there are about a half dozen democrats running for re-election in states where trump is popular. one other thing to remember even if democrat

questions that will be asked by people like heidi heitkamp, jeff flake, susan collins. president trump talked about the political piece of it when he was in heitkamp's home territory overnight. watch. >> heidi will vote no to any pick we make for the supreme court. she will be told to do so. now, maybe because of this she'll be forced to vote yes. who knows. >> to be clear, phil rucker, heitkamp did vote for neil gorsuch. but the president is going out here targeting these. on the republican side, jeff flake, susan collins as well as lisa murkowski on the democratic side. we just showed them there. red state democrats. what does the president do? what does the white house do? it's my reporting they haven't done a ton on the actual pick side. >> yeah, well, they can't do much outreach to convince senators to vote for this pick until they have a pick. so they're going to want to vet these potential nominees. and trump's going to want to meet with them. i think one important factor and you know this based on all the appointments to nominations trump has made before, he val

. >> republican senators, susan collins and jeff flake sent this letter to the white house, asking forails on its zero tolerance policy. >> it is inconsistent with our american val use. to separate these children from their parents. unless there is evidence of abuse or another very good >> a policy that is unacceptable, unjust, unamerican, and unconscionable. >> congressional democrats working on legislation to end the practice, visit itted a detention facility in new jersey. we will not rest until we shut that policy down. >> first lady, melania trump weighed in today. through a statement. saying she hates to slieeesld. e adding that while this should be a country that follows all laws, it should also be a country that governs with heart. elaine. >> errol barnett, thank you. >>> a vehicle carrying any 1op iluded undocumented immigrants crashed today in big wells, texas, 100 miles southwest of san antonio. at least five people were killed. the county sheriff says the vehicle was being chased by border patrol agents when it crashed. >> the cbs "overnight news" will be right back. >>> th

[applause] announcer: maine senator susan collins was a commencement speaker at colby college in maine. she urged graduates to avoid partisan politics and promote community values. this is 15 minutes. [applause] sen. collins: thank you very much, president green. trustees, faculty and staff, alumni, families and friends, and, most of all, graduates, what an honor it is to be with you today. now, i will tell you that i approached the task ahead of me with a great deal of humility. you see, i do not remember a single word spoken by the commencement speaker at my own graduation. in fact, i don't even remember who it was. i can only hope that you are not sitting out there somewhere. [laughter] sen. collins: the journey from capitol hill to mayflower hill is one that i always enjoy. as president green has indicated , today's celebration occurs 104 years after my great aunt received her colby degree. her journey from maine to waterville is truly inspiring. she first attended colby as a 17-year-old in 1909. but then, she ran out of money and had to leave in 1911 to teach school to earn enough

i would say that is a real possibility and that is why i'm looking to people like susan collins and lisaurkowski with only a 51 vote requirement to confirm the next supreme court justice to really look into their hearts and souls and do the right thing. i'm also looking to mitch mcconnell to do the right thing and for once to follow his own rule. it's so hypocritical but this is something that doesn't bother the republicans and the trump party at all. >> will the supreme court decision yesterday to uphold the third version of president trump's travel ban, do you think it will embolden him on the broader issue of immigration, which is so tough right now? >> trump is very much anti-immigration, especially black, brown and yellow people. so i have very little doubt that he's not even right now conferring or thinking on his own how he can use his pretty much unbridled executive power to issue further executive orders that would relate to immigration. i have little doubt that the supreme court handed him extraordinary powers which the supreme court didn't have to do, but it was a 5-4 decision

if it's somebody who has spoken out against roe versus wade, you could potentially lose susan collinsrkowski. in galvanizing women, i think they'll be galvanized one way or another. if roe versus wait start getting at the state level, and women start seeing this, i think it could galvanize women for the next presidential election. that could be what is decided by the choice that trump makes in the next few weeks. i do think he's going to make his choice in the next couple of weeks. we not only have to look down the road at 2018, also, this is so consequential it could decide 2020. >> let's look at 2018, ryan. this is a bit from the president's rally in north dakota. here it is. >> heidi will vote no to any pick we make for the supreme court. she will be told to do so. now, maybe because of this, she'll be forced to vote yes, who knows. i will tell you, she'll vote no the day after the election. >> okay, so listen. he's wrong, because heidi heitkamp, two others voted for his last pick, neal gorsuch, so how be red state democrats vote this time around, do you think. >> that's a great qu

and we don't know exactly how far susan collins and lisa murkowski are willing to go on the issue of abortion. and right now that is all of the talk. that is what everybody is talking about because it is believed to be the first thing that could go if this court swings dramatically to the right. so i think we really don't know how they're going to move their weight around in the senate with it so narrowly divided, every senator on the republican side has a lot of power to kind of affect -- maybe not the timing but the tenure of the debate about the justice. >> with 25 candidates, there are some on there who are conservative, young, and that the president thinks can get through the litmus test of susan collins and senator lisa murkowski for blowing up his nomination. he doesn't want that to happen. >> and is there anything realistically you think the democrats could do to prevent a roll call vote on the floor of the united states senate until after the mid-term elections? >> i think obviously it is very hard. but i also feel that we've seen some extraordinary things happening in polit

susan collins and lisa murkowski and senator donnelly, senator man chin and senator heitkamp.said to unveil it before he leaves for a trip to europe. both parties bracing for a showdown. on this one they have a process. they have to understand the importance of reaching out. lisa murkowski, susan collins, two republicans worried about the swing vote with anthony kennedy gone. new restrictions on abortion could come into play. critical. with john mccain absent, if you lose a republican, you're going to lose a democratic vote, so you bring in three democrats that are likely to be your target of opportunity here. >> this is one of the big things the white house is hailed as doing smoothly last year. that was the nomination and confirmation of neil gorsuch who is a chief justice now. don mcgahn, the white house council, is having a meeting now while the president decides what the supreme court will look like for the next few decades. we were told short after we found out kennedy was retiring that they will move this quickly and now we're seeing how quickly they want this to go. a

the two who folks are talking about is collins, murkowski, susan collins, lisa murkowski, both pro-choice, both sending signals that this may be different than last year's battle over neil gorsuch where they voted to confirm gorsuch. indicating maybe the issue of roe v. wade could be preeminent in their considerations on this. it's a big if. would they go to the lengths of voting no, joining with democrats trying to stop a trump pick? they've sent signals that have people talking about it. if you start at 50 for republicans and lose collins and murkowski, that's an ugly four but you're down to 48 for the republicans and then you would be short. remember, we're talking about democrats here, too. a lot of democrats running for reelection this year in states donald trump carried in 2016, some by giant margins. so manchin, west virginia. up for reelection, trump won by 42. heitkamp in north dakota, trump took it by 36. donnelly in indiana, trump took it by 20. donnelly, heitkamp, manchin, they voted for neil gorsuch last year, they're vasing voters in these states so if you had 48 and you got

we'll talk to key moderate in the senate named republican susan collins and check in with the president's attorney, rudy guiliani, about if and when the president will be interview by special counsel robert mueller. and paul manafort goes to jail following charges of witness tampering. and separate investigation into the fbi's handling of hillary clinton as former fbi director james comey, we'll take a look at the friendship between republican receive scalise and democrat cedric richmond putting partisan ship aside on and off the baseball field. and plenty of analysis on all the news coming up on "face the nation." good morning welcome to "face the nation." we begin today with president trump's attorney, rudy guiliani who joins us from our new york broadcast center this morning. happy father's day to you. >> thank you very, very much. >> brennan: i want to start off with a report roger stone a friend of president trump has told the "washington post" that during the campaign he met with a russian who was offering him damaging information on hillary clinton. this is now the 11th campaign as

it's doable. >> susan collins and murkowski both voted for gorsuch. is he pro-life.is a case now because things are different they now feel compelled to not vote for someone who might overturn abortion and roe v. wade. most important thing from the white house sources i've been talking to, the most important thing to the president is that person is young, is going to be pro-life and super conservative. >> he wants them in for 40 to 50 years. he said today. >> the same thing the republican leadership did, we need to do the same thing. there should be no nomination till after the midterm election. >> peter how do they stop this? they do have the number. it seems to me people in the past have been able to stop these things. >> it's about emotions. and right now, you've got the minority leader of the senate, chuck schumer standing in front of a bunch of microphones begging for fairness. we've both been in the senate. there's procedural parliamentary rules where they could slow it down long 0 enough to put pressure on elected and candidates right now. >> the pressure on t

representative susan collins is here. thank you for being here. >> thank you.i want to play for you what senator corker said. obviously he has a bill. is against the tariff structure that president trump has designed. he wt support, he believes his party should support. here's what he said. >> 95% of people on this side of y'all support this amendment. but no, no, no, gosh, we might poke the bear is the language i've b hearing in the hallways. weht poke the bear. the president might get upset with us as united states senators if we vote on the corker amendment. so we're going to do everything we can to block it. my gosh, if the president gets upset with us, then we might not be in the majority. and so let's don't do anything that might upset the president. >> ser, is h right? >> senator corker clearly deserves a vote on his amendment. it's a very legitimate issue at he's raising. what the president has done is invoke national security and a justification to impose tariffs on steel and aluminum coming from some of our closest allies, like canada and the european

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what do you expect from lisa murkowsky, from susan collins? from any other republicans that may hold up a nomination, that could overturn roe? and then what do we expect from joe manchin on the other side, and heidi heitkamp and senator donly from indiana. are they going to, because they want to get re-elected, are they going to blindly follow wherever trump's nominee takes them? >> well that is where all of the focus is going to be, joe. if you look at the democratic messaging that came out last night, they made it very clear the two things that they're going to focus on with any nominee are the two things that trump quite frankly said would be litmus tests which are the overturning of roe and also the aca. he's actually said that. he would choose, he said that in the past he would choose justice who is support these things. in the confirmation hearings, they will nail whoever the nominee is, on these points. now the two women republicans, yes, there's going to be a lot of focus on them. a lot of focus on the democrats. but i think lisa murko

[applause] >> >> maine senator susan collins was the commencement speaker at holy college in waterville, maine. to avoid graduates partisan politics, seek common ground, and promote community values. this is 15 minutes. [applause] sen. collins: thank you very much, president green. staff,s, faculty and alumni, families, friends, and most of all, graduates, what an honor it is to be with you today. now, i will tell you that i

susan collins and lisa murkowski or convince red state democrats like joe mansion, joe donnelly and heidi heitkamp to jump on board. they met with donald trump last night to discuss the supreme court vacancy. on donald trump's short list are two female candidates come two highly qualified individuals but also no doubt that a female nominee could go a long way to swear senators that may be on the fence. >> thank you very much. the president said he will announce the pick to replace justice kennedy july 9th. the battle lines have already been drawn, they will try to derail the confirmation process until after the november midterm elections. one washington post columnist tell democrats they know they should be blaming thing democrats nuclear action gambles are coming up snake eyes. the cohost of the 5, juan williams and guy benson invented talk radio, the hit show. let me play what sen. cory booker is saying about this as we move forward. >> we have a president with a criminal investigation, donald trump is two or three years left but we should put a pause on this and avoid a conflict of int

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[applause] announcer: maine senator susan collins was a commencement speaker at colby college in maine. she urged graduates to avoid partisan politics and promote community values. this is 15 minutes. [applause] sen. collins: thank you very much, president green. trustees, faculty and staff, alumni, families and friends, and, most of

and susan collins as was mentioned. it's really hard to compare credential of the two women for example. they are both excellent. look, i'm playing favorites here because this lady wrote my speech about western civilization at stanford. i defended western civilization and stanford wasn't sure. >> melissa: right! [laughter] >> bill: maybe yes, maybe no. i'll forever be grateful to allison. yeah. anyway. >> lisa: picking a woman mitigates -- we are already seeing attacks on the roe v. wade, abortion issue and the war on women. this is where the democrats want to take this heading in the midterm elections. so if you pick a female candidate, a female nominee, that mitigates the attacks from the democrats who are already gearing up to make the essential. >> jessica: there are plenty of women that don't care about women making a decision over her body. >> melissa: growing questions about how the showdown will impact the high-stake midtermss the democrats have begun pushing to have the senate confirmation vote delayed until af

this is senator susan collins. >> one of the questions that i always ask is, do they remember precedent? what is their view toward precedent? from my perspective, roe v. wade is an important precedent, and it is settled law. >> is there any scenario under which the president nominates someone who agrees with susan collins that it's settled law and it will not be challenged moving forward? >> i don't think there's a chance of that. i think this is a litmus test question that he or the group that's put together his list of candidates has -- has delved into pretty deeply. i mean, there's about as much chance of that question not being asked as it is of me buying a car and not looking to see an engine. it's a critical part of that test going forward. >> the president said that he won't ask the question. essentially won't have to because the list that's already been created, approved by the federalist society, shows that all of these potential picks will be someone who i guess sides with the party. >> right. that's true. and this idea that precedent is settled law and roe v. wade may be sett

susan collins' term ends in 2020. murkowski 2022.have a less of incentive to vote for this justice if they disagree with him because of political calculus or re-election worries. that's something that the president is thinking about. >> sure. they're not up for re-election. the red state democrats, joe manchin, heidi heitkamp, different story. the president is trying to woo them saying you could help me out here by voting for my supreme court nominee. >> a former republican senate leadership aide told axios that this is a terrible position for the red state democratic senators to be in. they're the most vulnerable. they voted for gorsuch before and now they're stuck with voted for the next nominee and depressing the democratic voters or voting against the nominee and will rile up and fire up the republican base in their states who are already sort of inclined to vote in a republican senate tore replace them. it looks as if they have no choice but to go with neil gorsuch. >> trace: and i want to get your take on the timing here. maybe

. >> reporter: republican senator susan collins and jeff flake sending a letter to the white house demanding clarification about whether the practice is being applied to asylum seekers. homeland security secretary kirjsten nielsen insisting the children are only taken in certain circumstances and the white house has no policy of separating families. >> i hate the children being taken away. the democrats have to change their law. that's their law. that's the democrats's law. we can change it tonight. we can change it right now. you need their votes. >> reporter: president trump trying to use the issue to support gop border legislation, while continuing to blame democrats for illegal immigration. but the trump administration's increased enforcement began in april. attorney general jeff sessions later announced the new zero tolerance policy. >> president trump could stop this policy with a phone call. >> he doesn't seem to acknowledge that. >> he can. i'll go tell him. if you don't like families being separated you can tell dhs stop doing it. >> you saw the president on camera. he wants this to

the second power that we have is that some of our republican colleagues very few, susan collins, lisa murkowski, john mccain's vote on that health care bill, when they see a nominee, there have been times where they have either quietly said we don't want this person or they voted against them. it is our job and you've seen a number of nominees in the judiciary committee that he have fallen apart that have been taken off the agenda. so i guess i could just say this is impossible but i'm not going to do that, chris. it is too important. i just think when you look at the political power of the people out there in the country right now, what they care about, this idea that with a situation where you've got one party that blocked another nominee and said you can't do it in an election year and they could potentially put someone through that will change the rights of women across america that could change the rights of you and your health care to allow to you get insurance if you have a pre-existing condition, ta case is coming up from texas. those are all things that are going to be for th

we have senator susan collins one of those republicans that could be pivotal.someone that wants to overturn roe v wade. listen to what she said. >> one of the questions i always ask is do they respect precedent, what is their view toward precedent. from my perspective, roe v wade and it is important. >> we know there's little wiggle room to get a supreme court justice confirmed. could this come down to collins and murkowski, two republican senators and the issue of abortion? >> absolutely. i tell you the irony here, and that is if you go back a year and a half i guess it is, lose track of time these days, those two very senators along with john mccain helped to sink the health care bill for a number of reasons, the republicans plan to replace obamacare. the big reason for these two women, i interviewed them together, was the issue of planned parenthood which at the end of the day is the issue of abortion. they were upset about the fact that planned parenthood was getting the funding cut and it helped women across the country, particularly in rural areas. my poi

right now, the trumpfe line , you see susan collins, one of the republican senators willing to be critical of trump, said well, we need to work on as a comprehensive settlement, and the feinstein bill is too broad. you can fix the family ng whole debate withle other kinds of immigration policy. trump does not seem to be scared of the politics of this. i don't know, maybe he thinks immigration is the issue that won him the presidency, he thinking. and maybe he thinks he can win this debate. >> he's listening to steve miller. >> and steve bannon. >> and steve bannon, exactly. thank you so much, bill, kristen andjaco f continuing to be with us and keep us honest about it. this morning, the president of the american academy of pediatrics described the impact of the president's policy of the children inside these cages. >> i wento a shelter that was designed for very young children, an walked into the toddler room, and very different than when you normally see toddlers, they're usually running around and rambunctious. there were a number of very quiet children. and there was one little girl who

whoever has nominee is in the most important thing for president trump rather than even getting susan collins, i think it's more important for joe manchin, claire mccaskill, heidi heitkamp because what it does is it helps mitigate republicans and nominees from the attack from democrats who were already saying they're going to get rid of roe vs. wade et cetera, et cetera so what you do is you say exley this is a bipartisan effort and we have people on both sides of the aisle that support those nominees so i think that's the smartest thing for the white house to be doing and they should absolutely be doing that right now. >> harris: you think it's important to do it now or do you think that divide between the publicans and democrats will only grow greater over the summer or can there be a cooling-off period when they get home to their constituents? >> trish: i don't think there's going to be any kind of cooling off any time. you ain't seen nothing yet. this is going to be a display that i don't think any of us are really going to like to see. but it's going to be intensified in the coming weeks

. >> reporter: alaska's lisa murkowski and maine's susan collins who says she wants a justice who views roe v. wade as settled law. senators are discouraged from asking a nominee how they would rule on a particular case, though, collins and the rest of the senate will dig through the nominees' records looking for clues once the president names his pick, which he says he will do very soon. nancy cordes, cbs news, capitol hill. >>> well, president trump says he's looking forward to his meeting with russian president vladimir putin. the summit will take place july 16th in thousands of documents by next week. >>> a september 7th hearing is set for president trump's former campaign aide. george papadopoulos lied last year. he is cooperating with the special counsel, robert mueller's investigation, into possible collusion and the trump cam pape. >>> and first lady melania trump made her second trip to immigration facility. she met with border officials in tucson, arizona, yesterday. she toured a facility in phoenix also. last week she visited a shelter in texas. >>> rescuers in thailand conti

>> you have people like susan collins, lisa murkowski who have shown to be independent when it comes to women's rights and privacy rights. >> they voted for gorsuch. with roe v. wade on the table, and a conservative majority. maybe they may make a play. one, that might be political suicide. if they were to fore stall a vote and lose control of the senate they would be forever blamed. you would just be delaying a vote until after the election in, what, the hopes that you would take over the senate. >> that can make a difference. >> oh, yes. >> for the heariings and everything else. one thing that hasn't come out is the average time for hearings is 140 days. that's past the election. if you look at how long the hearings have taken before a vote and before confirmation process ends it is past the election time. >> that's custom, not by rule. >> that's correct. the public pressure and focusing on what matters to the people here, that's on our side. the other thing we have is some republicans that have shown some independence over time. then we have the right to ask questions and ask as m

among the 50 republicans you have susan collins and lisa murkowski, two woavmen who said they support roe vs. wade and have also supported planned parenthood. they both voted for kneelrs h. why? susan collins said at the time sh rbelieved he would notule based on his personal beliefs which we understood to be anti-abortion. vo for this canted to make it, may to thread a needle, be considered conservative on life issues and somewhatbu anti-abortionot too much because these two women need support them. >> there's a careful consideratn that needs to be made here. yamiche, do we know that the folks house from the you've talked to want to take their time, consider the options and el out where the restf the world is or rush full steam ahead? >> the president is l charge on this getting done as soon as possible. the white house wants this done, because the president alreadyha his list, he's said he's going to choose someone from this list. today i talkekto marhort, the legislative director. he will be one of the people shepherding through who the nominee is. he said we want it to be done fai

maine republican senator susan collins says she opposes the administration's policy, but doesn't support the bill. >> her legislation is not the answer. it's far too broad, y prevent a within 100 miles of the border. even if the pers crious crime o of terrorist activity, so that's not the answer. >> reporter: however it plays out, these families in san carlos say they won't stop pushing legislators to act until the policy ends. s. >> you read about children being separated from their parents in history lessons from horrible roadway scream, and now it's -- regimes, and now it's happening here? that's unacceptable. >> reporter: there's another bill coming up in week, but so far no republicans have come up to support it. >> all right, thank you. >>> the officer of the first lady melania trump released a statement on the controversial issue reading quote mrs. trump from their hopes ul immigration she believes we need to be a country that follows all laws, but also a country that governs with heart. and former first lady laura bush harshly criticized the policy saying this zero tolerance poli

one of the key ones for two senators the president spoke with is roe v wade, as we heard from susan collinsecific question the president is planning to ask potential supreme court candidates? >> no. he's not asked that question. there's not a litmus test. for the american people, what's great is this is the first president to say this is the type of people i am going to choose from. it is an open, transparent process. you can see the caliber of the candidates he has put forward so far. gives people comfort who he will put forth for a supreme court opening. >> how confident that susan collins and lisa murkowski are important. how confident that they will not defect from where the gop is going on this? >> it is hard to predict that right now. i think a lot depends on the candidate the president puts forward and process moving forward, but we were grateful for their time last night and the guidance they gave us. we're not looking at this as a partisan vote, we are hopeful to earn democratic votes. hope to put forward a candidate with incredible -- >> there's a report you would like a nominee,