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but susan collins is just one member. getting to the big ten number will be very, very difficult. >> i want to share what republican roy blount of miss missouri said about all of this. >> i actually opposed the idea of a commission immediately from the very first because i think we'll start waiting for a commission, rather than moving forward with what we know we need to do now. there's a bipartisan effort in the senate with two committees to produce not only a report but also a number of recommendations and we should be able to do that in the first full week of june. >> can democrats work with a plan like is that? the majority of americans don't care how it gets done, they just want it done. >> i don't think, stephanie, wee will get out of that congress without a full investigation into january 6th. i think republicans, to be quite honest, are being shortsighted here. this commission gives them more power than they would have otherwise. if nancy pelosi kicks this to a standing committee, democrats would have the majority

senator susan collins of maine one of the key swing votes needed to overcome a republican filibusterlained how the house-passed bill could earn her support. >> the two issues i think are resolveable, one has to do with staffing and i think that both sides should either jointly appoint the staff or there should be equal numbers of staff appointed by the chairman and the vice-chairman. the second issue is i see no reason why the report cannot be completed by the end of this year. >> senator roy blunt who is opposed to the commission said last week that an independent investigation would take too long and would delay reforms that could be enacted right away like strengthening building security. yesterday he had this to say. >> i think it's too early to create a commission and i believe republicans in the senate will decide that it's too early to create that commission. commissions often don't work at all and when they do work, like the sense and bowles commission produced a good result nothing happened as part of that result. the one commission we generally think did work was the 9/11 c

bottom line, he does not want a january 6th commission, even with the tweaks senator susan collins hasroposed to address his concern. i want to read you one more quote. this was from a republican source who was baffled by mitch mcconnell. the source said, no one can understand why mitch is going to this extreme of asking for a personal favor to kill the commission, and went on to say, quote, how can you have an attack on the capitol and the republican leader is saying, vote against it, quote, it is despicable. >> jamie, we heard from senator thune that this could spill over into the 2020 midterms and we know from leader mccarthy and leader mcconnell that the goal, obviously, is to regain the majority. is it as simple as that? >> i think it is as simple as that, but let's remember that these tweaks that susan collins is offering would put a time certain on ending the commission. that's supposed to address it. but i think the bottom line is that susan collins has gotten the message loud and clear that her tweaks, whatever they are, are not enough for mitch mcconnell. he seems to feel tha

senator susan collins, who wants to see changes, the math just isn't there. >> the math is not there. there is only three republican senators in favor of defeating a phil buster and moving on to a vote. they need seven more and i don't know where they will find that seven. some republican senators including mike braun of indiana said it will not get the 60 votes and it will be phil bustered whether or not they agree to the changes in structuring the staff that some like susan collins has back. and it gets to the fact that these are supporters of trump that attacked this capitol. last night in a steech that was deeply symbolic in the future they had speaker ryan talking about president trump. let's play sound of what he said. let's talk about that. >> if the conservative cause depends on the appeal of one personality then we're not going year. voters looking for threadleader. >> the former president just put out a statement moments ago aggressively attacking the former speaker of the house calling anymore a curse on the republican party. the civil war in the republican party is over. d

. >> the girlfriend of capitol police officer brian sicknick met with senator susan collins thursday. two capitol police officer's to protect members of congress during the january 6 attack also met with senator collins. after the meeting the three spoke with reporters. sen. collins: hello everybody. i'm here today with three powerful advocates for the creation of an investigation into the events leading up to january 5, the attacks on the capital. what happened that day and what we can do to ensure that such an attack on the ultimate symbol of our democracy never happens again. and that is why we need an independent, outside bipartisan commission. that is why -- what i have been working on to make sure that it is fair and bipartisan. i want to introduce you to sandra and she will tell her story. she was the partner of officer sicknick for many years and i am so sorry for her loss. and jerry dunn, who is a member of the capitol police force it was there today and described to me what he went through. and he is with the d.c. police force and self applied to the capital to help save our

police officers who protected the members of congress during the january 6 attack with senator susan collins today. >> hello, everybody. i am here today with three powerful advocates for the creation of investigation into the events leading up to january 6, the attack on the capital, what happened that day and what we can do to ensure that such an attack on the ultimate symbol of our democracy never happens again. and that is why we need an independent, outside, bipartisan commission and that is why it i have been what -- what i have been working on, to make sure it truly is balanced, fair and bipartisan. i want to introduce you to sandra. she will tell her story. she was the partner of officer sicknick for many years. i am so sorry for her loss. and harry who is a member of the capitol police force and described to me what he went through. and self deployed to the capital to help save our lives. they are the reason i am fighting so hard for the creation of this commission so that we can better understand the attack on our democracy and the heroic actions that were taken that day to save our

it's not fair for susan collins to say, i don't trust the cdc.th this virus. the nature of science, as you get more data, you can revise your recommendations. i'm sure congress people don't always get it right all the time either. >> dr. paul offit, thank you so much. i love it when we take questions from our viewers and take them right to the experts. thank you, doctor. >> thank you. >>> we're following breaking news out of georgia. the prosecutor for the atlanta spa mass shooting will charge the suspect with hate crimes. we have much more on this next. at panera, dinner is hot... and ready to serve. order our warm and toasty sandwiches for dinner tonight with delivery or pick-up. only at panera. ♪ you've got the looks ♪ ♪ let's make lots of money ♪ ♪ you've got the brawn ♪ ♪ i've got the brains... ♪ with allstate, drivers who switched saved over $700 click or call to switch - [announcer] when you earn a degree from southern new hampshire university, it's worth getting loud... - woo! i did it! (people cheering) - [announcer] ...and emotional. -

some of these moderate republican senators raise questions about the commission bill, including susan collins of maine who said she is open to changes to the bill and then perhaps she'd support it. but right now that doesn't look like that's something that is on the table. >> so you heard from susan collins, but right now there are 35 house republicans voting in favor of this bill. are you hearing anything else from any of them? >> yeah, i mean, these house republicans that kind of buck their leadership were actually pleasantly surprised at the number of their colleagues that were willing to kind of take on the house minority leader kevin mccarthy, the gop whip steve scalise and basically say even though this is not what the republicans want, and even though it could endanger republicans and their hopes of taking back the house majority in the 2022 midterms, that this was just more important. we had forecasted the number being on the low end, maybe 20. at the maximum being 50. so that 35 number is kind of right in the sweet spot, especially when you take into account that kevin mccarthy was a

mitt romney, susan collins and lisa mil lisa murkowski.hink congress will do a good job with it. why not? i mean the 9/11 commission was, i thought, did a good job. no? >> well, it's a sick bet that congress will not do a good job with much of anything. just that's a, to me. i'm glad to be proven wrong. do you think our politics, our politicians, our tribalism, our ability to resist our own partisan urges has matured since 2001? i think it degraded greatly. this is what a lot of people -- i think the argument against a commission are weak because this is such a big deal. can you not tell me it's not a big deal. it needs to be investigated. right? i do understand people's concerns about the fairness. we live in a world where whoever is investigating and whoever is covering what is am coming out of the investigation will weave their own reality from the facts. we've seen it time and time again. that's why we're in an institutional plunge in confidence for media, for congress, for basically everyone across the board. aim afraid this will end

liz: that was senator susan collins today going after inflaming the cdc for giving conflicting informationof kansas you remember the gop doctor caucus, good to see you again, that was quite the rebuke by senator collins, the new york times saying the cdc claims of 10% of covid cases happened outdoors, that is misleading its possibly less than 0.1%, why can't they say it's next to impossible to catch covid-19 outdoors, especially if revaccinated. >> i can explain what the cdc is trying to get at, if they had their way we would wear belts, suspenders and diapers, we haven't tracked down any age or outbreaks from an outside event multiple construction companies that we talked to, no major outbreaks from outside events it's time to let her people go it's time to let people be without masks if they've had the vaccine, it's time to let people be outside without a mask, theh mental health crisis we are going on in this country, letting people get outside without a mask would do more than anydi medicine i prescribed as a physician. liz: even the new york times is saying what you're saying they eve

susan collins, lisamurkowski, mitt romney have shown a willing to break with their party.ing trouble counting to ten on this commission. i'm not sure how we get there to break this filibuster with mcconnell still be opposed. what is your sense in reporting telling you about where we stand here? >> you and me both. i don't think that, right now, we are seeing that they have enough votes to pass the january 6th commission. ten is a high bar in the senate. you've already seen some republicans who voted to impeach donald trump, saying that they are going to come out opposed and it's really hard when the minority leader is basically saying don't support it. and the bottom line right now is that this is about power, right? so you have mitch mcconnell saying we don't want this to be our message that is basically casting a cloud over us heading into the midterms when you have donald trump being examined what he did that day. that is not a winning message and basically why he is saying we can't be running on this. so you have some republicans who are much more willing to cross the

i believed all along that joe manchin is roughly like the susan collins of the democratic party, that eventually he'll change his mind. and i still think he might do that when it comes to hb1, senate bill 1, the for the people act. but the idea he'll still spout this nonsense in the face of an attempt to murder him and everybody with a "d" in their name is disturbing to me. and i don't see the value, honestly, at this point in democrats treating him with kid gloves. personally if i were a senator van holland, i would say, look if you aren't in favor of the commission you want me dead as much as republicans do. i don't understand the recaltrance on the part of one or two senators simply getting rid of the filibuster in this particular instance to do something, because i promise you and this is not because we want this to happen. ask any security expert, it's going to happen again. the people who did this will simply try again, and this commission's the only way to possibly prevent it. >> they'll try again, susan, and next time they might succeed because they're setting up in the states

great to be with you. >>> let's bring in republican senator susan collins from maine. senator collins, thanks for joining us this morning. you heard secretary blinken right there. you were 1 of the 42 republican senators to sign that letter about the iran nuclear negotiations saying the sanctions should remain in place. what's your response to secretary blinken? >> first of all, let me commend secretary blinken and president biden for working very hard to help bring about a cease-fire in the middle east, and for recognizing that israel does have the right to defend itself against a terrorist group, hamas, that is funded by the iranians. that's the key reason why i don't want us to proceed with lifting sanctions on iran as long as iran remains the foremost supporting of terrorism in the world. >> let's talk about the prospect for bipartisan cooperation on infrastructure. i know you have been in meetings with president biden. in a bid to jump start the negotiations the administration lowered their proposal to $1.7 trillion this week and said the ball is now in the gop's c

susan collins went after that, what do you say? >> this is socialism.hrough the mask mandate. like a ball and chain they want to have around your face. they want to control us from the cradle to the grave now, right? i think this is what it is all about. this is control. this is control of americans, this is the home of the brave, the land of the free, home of the brave, right? we'll keep fighting it. look if you upset senator collins, that is not easy to do. she is one of the best prepared senators i ever, ever met. she knows what she is talking about. if she is going after you, better look in the mirror to see what is happening. elizabeth: there was this, senator rand paul saying basically dr. fauci is dodging questions and trying to hide how past nih funds that he oversaw, went to fund work in china on, to do research on super viruses that jumped from animals to human beings. watch this. >> you don't think concerning a bad virus spike protein it got from the wuhan institute in the sars virus is gain of function? >> that is not -- >> you're in the min

susan collins sounds like she's open to it. what do you see happening there? >> garrett, republicans are divided, but it's not an even divide. republicans who are contemplating voting for this commission are in the slim minority of republicans as most have said in the senate that they're not going to support it after minority leader mcconnell came out dismissing it. most republicans after that, they are in the firm "no" category. there are a few, though, who are traying to get to yes including susan collins. let's listen to what she said over the weekend about it. >> the two issues that i think are resolvable, one has to do with staffing and i think that both sides should either jointly appoint the staff or there should be equal numbers of staff appointed by the chairman and the vice chairman. the second issue is i see no reason why the report cannot be completed by the end of this year. >> reporter: so the question is, are there ten people like senator susan collins who are willing to try to work with democrats to perhaps be able to vote for this legislation

you also have senator susan collins and senator mitt romney that are part of that working group.now the clock is ticking. the president has set this soft deadline of having some contours of a deal by memorial day. that is very quickly approaching. and right now, there is this wait and see period, whether both sides will be able to come to some type of agreement or if the president will decide to go it alone with just democrats, which some of his colleagues on capitol hill are already suggesting he take that route. >> yeah, listen, one of the pay-fors coming out of the bipartisan talks, charging electric vehicle owners per mile driving. hard to see how that gets democratic votes. a long way to go. arlette saenz, thank you. >>> new calls for a probe into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic after cnn learns that president biden shut down an investigation started by the trump administration. did the president make a mistake there? >>> we're also moments from the opening bell on wall street. futures are pointing higher this morning as investor fears over inflation have eased sligh

he said he wants -- that's what susan collins also voted to convict donald trump on his second impeachment trial, she wants changes as well and then i asked romney, would you be willing to see debate begin on this proposal? and he says he is not there yet. so, it just shows you how unlikely it is that anything will get through the senate. republicans, if they do filibuster this as soon as next week, could be the first time they do that to legislation in this congress and it could be over this commission, which is drafted by bipartisan support in the house. >> okay, manu, stay with us, if you would, and we also want to bring in david chalian, our cnn political director. david, nancy pelosi does congressional math better than anybody. why would she still sound hopeful? >> yeah, well, as you are right, alisyn, she does do congressional math pretty darn well. i don't think that's a real sense of hope. i think what that is is an attempt to use what the house passed last night and try and use that as some leverage to let that create some momentum where there seems none to exist right now in the

susan collins as her local newspaper said, is concerned about staffing.ort a commission that was that slanted. now it's down the middle. now you also have, again, negotiations on the staffing. i think, again, people should set this up the way the 9/11 commission was set up. talk a little bit more about staffing. there could be negotiations here but right now, mika, it just seems that the answer is no, no, no from republicans and the reason why, as jonah points out, because they're terrified of actually having, not all of them, but a good number of them are terrified of having facts come out that will cross what donald trump has said about the election. >>> coming up our next guest says the american people deserve to see what's really in a memo from the trump era that led bill barr to clear donald trump of obstructing justice. former acting solicitor general neal katyal joins us next on "morning joe." "morning joe." the epson ecotank. no more buying cartridges. look at all this ink it comes with. big ink tanks. lots of ink. no more cartridges. incredible a

manus: that was the white house senior advisor cedric richmond and republican senators susan collinson the sundays about biden's info structure plan. this comes as secretary of state anthony blake and waited on the state of negotiations -- weighed in on the state of negotiations with iran. >> we are waiting to see if they will come into compliance and that is what we are engaged with now. and use that as a platform to build on and try to deal with these other issues. manus: oil is bouncing back today, more signs the u.s. economy is rapidly recovering from the pandemic outweighing concerns about global supply. will iran come back and will the payrolls arrive? let's get to our energy reporter. we are preempting a great deal with the rhetoric because this weekend was pivotal in terms of inspections in iran and that is about eating america back to the jcpoa and a deal on the table. vaccine optimism seems to be the alpha over iran's supply. >> especially in america, several states at a 50% vaccination rate and more and more people vaccinated every day. you see goldman sachs and citi getti

the six senator republicans who is have voted for it include susan collins, lisa murkowski, cassidy of louisiana, rob portman of ohio, ben sasse of nebraska and of course utah. the vote is not expected to pass and that is because before this bill passed the house of representative, mitch mcconnell came out publicly and said he was not going to support it. that was a big sign to his republican colleagues on where to stand on this issue. there has been a lot of discussion both behind the scenes and publicly about the formation of this commission among republicans. the majority of republicans are just following the lead of their leader mcconnell and choosing not to support it. >> just to highlight this. this is a significant moment. all americans saw what happened on january 6. this commission would be bipartisan and independent. we have heard from four former dhs homeland secretaries saying that politics should be put aside, saying we need to get to the bottom of this. yesterday we heard from the mother of an officer who died a day after the attack on the capitol calling on the lawmakers

susan collins of maine will be the third republican intending to vote yes tomorrow to begin debate onepublican votes short in order to reach the magic number of 60 with hours to go. manu, one of the people lobbying senators is the mother of fallen capitol police officer brian sicknick who died in the hoursa after the attack. >> reporter: she has reached out to all 50 republican senators demanding a meeting wanting a face to face to explain to them the emotions she is going through. when her family experienced. the tragic loss of her son. something that caused the capitol to stop and mourning brian sicknick who defended the building but died in the aftermath of the attack. she said that in a statement it is a slap in the face of all of the police officers that defended this institution on that day if republicans and senators block the commission vote tomorrow. she had success. some are willing to meet with her. but will that change their votes. one republican senator mike brawn said he is willing to meet with her but plans to oppose the legislation. republican opposition, they are sayi

politico reports susan collins is making a last-ditch attempt to broker a bipartisan compromise on theanuary 6th commission even as republican leaders rush to quash the panel. the mother and the partner of fallen capitol hill police officer brian sicknick have requested meetings with all the republican senators to urge support for the bill. sicknick's mother released this statement which reads in part, not having a january 6th commission to look into what occurred is a slap in the faces of all the officers who did their jobs that day. still with us, eugene and tim. what do you do, and cnn's count was that 15 of the republicans had accepted her invitation thus far, what do you do if this 1/6 commission fails? >> well, if it fails, democrats are on their own. and democrats, since they can do more in the house than they can do in the senate by themselves, probably in the house, will convene all sorts of investigative panels, maybe a select committee, maybe through the committee structure, to do all-out, comprehensive investigations about what happened on january 6th. and that will have to

seen the moderate republican senators raise the questions about the commission bill including susan collins maine who says that she is open to changes to the bill, and then perhaps she would support it, but it is not something on the ta table. >> so you heard from susan kol lin, but there are 35 house republicans in favor of this bill, but anything else from any of them? >> yes, the house republicans who bucked the leadership were pleasantly surprised at a number of the colleagues who were willing to take on the house minority leader kevin mccarthy and the gop whip steve ka scali and say that even though it is not what they wanted an endanger the republicans to taking back the house majority in the 2020 midterms, that it is more important, and we had forecasted the numbers to be on the low end and maybe 20 at the maximum 30, and -- maximum 50, and 35 in the sweet spot, and so kevin mccarthy then asking them not to vote for it, so 35 of the members to buck the leadership demonstrates how important they believe it is. >> and ryan nobles on capitol hill, thank you very much. and so joining me

now you have susan collins a name for example.p got crushed in maine, and susan collins won handily. -- it's not true, not based on facts. turn to your question, the insurrection is forever. they have made their choice. it didn't have to be like this up to january 6th. republican politicians could've taken the party in a different realm, but they decided they are going to stick with the big lie in order to protect donald trump's feelings. in order to protect their little slice of this republican pie. in order to protect their plan going forward through voter suppression and try to steal the election in 2024. that is the bet that they made. it did have to be this way. at this point, i think the kick on it is made. >> tim, while i have you, it's quite a profit that the greatest untold story of these days, is the efforts going on in state houses that are quietly, perhaps, aimed at giving them legislatures republican controlled the ability to overturn state results. >> yeah, look. my colleague wrote about this and he didn't do an auto

seems highly unlikely right now, kate. >> i was missing one, romney, lisa murkowski, susan collins, beneporter: that's correct. >> who are now a yes on this. >> reporter: and the vote is still open, too, kate, so potentially we'll see if others will come forward. >> that's exactly right. let's talk about the reasons behind this. lisa murkowski, her statement to reporters last -- i believe it was last night, when asked about kind of why, what she makes of mcconnell and the reporting of mcconnell pressuring republicans to vote against, something that -- a bit of what she said really sticks out in this moment. is it really what this is all about? is everything is just one election cycle after another, or are we going to acknowledge that as a country, that is based on these principles of democracy, that we hold so dear, one of those is that we have free and fair elections, and we respect the result of those elections and we allow for a peaceful transfer of power. i kind of want those things to endure beyond just one election and that's what this comes down to. i have to say, wasn't it adam

bill cassidy, susan collins, lisa murkowski, ben sasse, rob portman, and mitt romney, despite so many votes calling for an investigation in the aftermath of january 6, of course before donald trump made it clear he opposed any closer look on what may have caused the attack at the capitol. 11 senators, we should point out, could not even have been bothered at all. nine democrats, two democrats. a reminder that while republicans insist this investigation is unnecessary, at least 450 people have been charged for their roles in the insurrection so far. and capitol police officers are still trying to sound the alarm, warning that parts of the capitol are still vulnerable for attack and security upgrades are needed right now, they say, to keep that from happening. those individual criminal pursuits, however, they're not going to together create a wider look at what went wrong, at the lies and the propaganda that led to the deadly day, and lest we forget, this is not just about an attack on democracy, as if that weren't important enough. there is also the human toll of this tragedy to consid

mitt romney, susan collins, masaid they will vote to advance the bill. ten republicans are needed to move the bill forward. don't hold your breath. "ac 360" starts now. >>> good evening. we begin tonight with the shooting at a public transit rail yard in california that ended with eight lives lost plus that of the gunman. for the family of the victims tonight is just the beginning of what will be almost unimaginable pain and sadness and that pain will be uniquely theirs. for the country, what happened today was the 232nd pmass shooting of the year according to the gun violence archive. the 17th since last wednesday. california's governor spoke to the reality a short tilme ago. >> here we are in the united states of america experiencing something that's not experienced anywhere else in the world. there is a sameness and numbness is something we're all feeling but begs the damn question what the hell is going on in the united states of america? is wrong with us? >> dan simon joins us from the scene. dan, what do we know? >> reporter: anderson, as usual, th

murkowski, you know, some other possible, susan collins, toomey, cassidy, et cetera. i ask you this every day. but you speak to people on the hill. do you see it getting to ten or is that really -- has that ship sailed? >> look, there is always a surprise in this place. it happens from time to time. it seems that surprise is unlikely to happen today. there probably could be up to six, seven senators break ranks getting to the ten unlikely. one reason why is republican leadership has come out hard against it. senator mitch mcconnell told his college privately and publicly his concerns and in large part because he believes that democrats want to use this issue to litigate donald trump, relitigate what happened in 2020 potentially use that to take back the majority next year and that argument has taken hold among the republican conference. he's among the senators i spoke to. >> that argument krikts what they said on the floor of the senate when he said listen, you know, president's responsible. this is horrible. and there will be other opportunities to investigate this.

susan collins pointed out we spent a lot of money to win world war ii. i would like to point out that after all of that big spending to win that war and to free the world of nazis, we also had a period of american prosperity the country had never seen before. we have evidence that government spending can set our country on a strong financial trajectory that could expand our middle-class as it did after world war ii. i advocate, let's get the middle-class going, starting with our young people who cannot afford a car, who would like to go to work and earn some money and grow up thinking america helped me with my life. thank you so much. host: thanks. jan with this tweet, asking, doesn't it cost more to replace the road or bridge than to maintain it? this headline from cnn.com. " unlike biden, americans do not see a new infrastructure as a priority." loretto joining us from cleveland, ohio. caller: good morning, steve. good morning, america. infrastructure. we needed and we need it back. -- we need it and we need it bad. our roads and bridges are over 100 y

. >>> moments ago senator susan collins of maine said this. >> we owe it to the brave men and women who defended our lives that day. and in some cases, did so at the cost of their lives. and that's why i feel so strongly about that. >> cnn chief congressional correspondent manu raju up on capitol hill. you tried with the leader there at the top, took him a long time to give you a short answer. what's the math right now, if you look everything i've looked at, says there's not ten republicans ready to break. >> reporter: there's not. the republican leaders have been confident for days they have the votes to defeat this. mitch mcconnell made his case behind the scenes telling members that this commission could be politically damaging for the republicans because they believe democrats would use this to help keep their majority in both chambers, he's made that argument privately, and also publicly. that has taken hold of a vast majority of the southern conference agreeing with that, including one republican senator who had not said where she would come down until moments ago, shelley moore c

in the senate, susan collins, lisa murkowski, shelly moore capito can be independent and have their own views and be strong women and not be struck down. and so i think this is a mistake. it's a bad message. and i say whoa to any woman who wants to be a handmaiden to this and to get a leadership spot on the heels of really something that is unseemly. to embrace the big lie. why do -- you have people who are more upset with liz cheney saying what bill barr said, a man, but they aren't upset about matt gaetz. they aren't upset about marjorie green. i think that's a real problem. but it is a two-thirds vote so i think while they're all trying to declare this over, i think no matter what happens, this strengthens liz and you never can go wrong standing on principle and speaking the truth. >> you said a lot of different things there i'd like to address. you said woe to any woman who wants to be a handmaiden to this lie. so elise stefanik, who i know you know from bush world, the republican party was -- >> i consider her a friend, yes. >> wasn't it a different party then, though. so you think

you've got susan collins in maine, for example.ot crushed in maine, susan collins won kind of handily, so this notion that republicans can only win by sticking with trump is not true, it's not based on facts. but to answer your question, in short, the insurrection is forever. they've made their choice. it didn't have to be like this after january 6. republican politicians could have taken the party a different route, but they decided they are going to stick with the big lie in order to protect donald trump's feelings, in order to protect their little slice of this republican pie, in order to execute their plan to win going forward through voter suppression and possibly trying to steal the election in 2024. so that is the bet that they made. it didn't have to be this way, but at this point i think the cake on that is baked. >> tim, while i have you, it's been proffered that the greatest uncovered story these days are what's going on in state houses that are quietly, perhaps, giving the legislators the ability to overturn state resul

susan collins said today she can't support this current version of the bill that's passed.at's ready to show who the ten are that would join with democrats and this is going to be an uphill battle in this sense. >> 252-175. 35 republicans joined all the democrats in voting to create this commission. what do you see happening in the senate as in the coming days, they're going to have to vote, they need 60 vote to break a filibuster and see if it gets approved there. >> i think the senate is on life support. if someone like susan collins who voted for impeachment wants to make changes, well, maybe there are ten people who could agree to changes. what we heard today was mitch mcconnell does not want this. i am not sure if he's going to change his mind and we'll be back to square one. nancy pelosi floated the idea of select, maybe? right now i would not be optimistic. >> ryan nobels is with us. the former president in the events leading up to january 6th and the insurrection. why would he want a commission to investigate to learn the lessons to try to make sure it never happens

i'll speak with senior adviser anita dunn and senator susan collins next. >>> and a divided house. the house minority leader doubles down on the big lie and a lot of big little lies. and in today's r

senator and 2000 democratic vice presidential nominee joe lieberman and susan collins.morning. >> thanks for having me on, and thanks for remembering that we tried to do something about this almost ten years ago. but it failed because of partisanship, and i guess i'd say effective lobbying by businesses that didn't want to have the extra responsibility to protect the country. >> i remember when you wrote and reread your op-ed from 2012 again this morning and you wrote this as this bill was on its way to failing. this is one of those days when i fear for our country. when i'm not proud of the united states senate. we've got a crisis. it's one we all acknowledge. it's not just that there's a theoretical or speculative threat of cyberattack against our country. it's real. that was then. this is now. it's real. it happened. what did you think friday when you saw the news? >> i was really frustrated. and angry. i didn't have an "i told you so" feeling. i had a feeling that we should have done something about this nine or ten years ago. this was a totally nonpartisan national

shortly after her fellow republican senator susan collins was seen waving her mask around. we are seeing an outpouring of reaction social media. becky metchie tweeted it will feel weird not to put on a mask, it has become as natural as putting on deodorant and brushing my teeth. kw posted this adorable gift of a boy dancing in a cowboy outfit tweeting no more masks if you are freaking vaccinated. a new user set i went an entire year so you bet i will keep wearing my little mask. kathy h tweeted i feel like we're forgetting children under the age of 12 will not be vaccinated. what about our kids? thtag kpix if you want to weigh in. >>> to a breaking story in oakland, chopper five was over police activity. this call originally came in as an officer assaulted but now we are hearing that no one has been hurt. police are surrounding a home on plymouth between 98th and 99th avenue. we will keep an eye on this. >>> new at 5:00, an investigation is underway after a landscaper was found dead under bushes outside of an apartment complex. police have arrested a suspect they say he con

khan, i want to ask you about this exchange between susan collins and rochelle walensky. basically, susan collins was saying because of their guidance, about outdoor transmission, she has lost faith in the cdc. so, listen to this. >> i always considered the cdc to be the gold standard. i don't anymore. and i want to give you three examples where i think the conflicting, confusing guidance from your agency has undermined public confidence. the cdc announced that less than 10% of covid-19 transmission was occurring outdoors. the article points out that this is, quote, almost certainly misleading and goes on to say there is not a single documented covid infection anywhere in the world from casual outdoor interactions. >> there's a meta analysis from journal of infectious diseases that was published in november, i believe, where the top line result of all studies that were included in the systematic review said less than 10% of cases were transmitted outdoors. >> okay, dr. khan, there's a lot to unpack there, but basically, are they being too confusing and frankly cautious ab

some, like susan collins, are trying to find a compromise version. >> we owe it to the brave men and women who defended our lives that day, and in some cases, did so at the cost of their lives. >> desjardins: the house passed their version of a january 6 commission last week, with 35 republicans joining democrats in support. it's modeled directly after the commission to investigate the attacks on september 11, which passed in 2002 with overwhelming support from both parties. like the 9/11 commission, the january 6 commission would have ten seats total, with five appointed by democrats and five by republicans. a bipartisan majority is needed to subpoena witnesses and documents. in the nearly six months since the insurrection, the department of justice has arrted over 400 people. senate republicans opposing the commission say democrats want to score political points, and that other investigations underway are sufficient. >> there's no new fact about that day that we need the democrats' extraneous commison to uncover. >> desjardins: frustrated democrats pushed back. >> the democrats hav

senator susan collins, lisa murkowski, mitt romney, bill cassidy and ben sasse, those are the five who voted to convict donald trump for inciting the january 6th election. one of them, rob portman, voted to move ahead, he did not vote for conviction. one republican who did vote to convict, richard burr, has already indicated he will not vote to advance this. so the question ultimately, can there be ten? and there's really no sign that that is going to happen here. the republican argument, the leadership has said that their concern is this could become a political investigation, it could undercut their messaging going forward. the democrats say this is a bipartisan commission that was cut by a republican and a democrat in the house, a deal that was cut, five members on each side will be selected here and the report would be due by the end of the year. but republicans want this over with and expect them to succeed in a matter of minutes. >> we'll come back to you as soon as we get the decisive tally in the vote. let's go to alexandria, virginia, the president of the united states. >> bef

there are those other republicans like susan collins, perhaps a handful of others who feel there arelements to this bill that need to be tweaked or improved upon to make sure staffing, for example, is done in an entirely bipartisan way or that there be a hard cap put on the conclusion of the commission's work at the end of this year. democrats will have to decide if they think that group includes ten republicans and is, therefore, large enough to be worth negotiating with to try to make changes to this bill and actually create this commission or if they want to put the bill on the floor, force republicans to take a very bad vote to filibuster is and then kick things back over to the house and let speaker pelosi find some other way to move forward, perhaps with the creation of a select committee on that side of the chamber. >> wow. excellent breakdown on all of it. so succinct and streamlined because there's a lot to consider. thank you, garrett, for that. >>> joining me is clint watts, msnbc national security annuality of, distinguished research fellow at the policy research institut

susan collins says she is outraged by that. >> he serves a state in our country well. we are not a party that is led by just one person. we need to have rooms for a variety of views. >> meanwhile in texas, a congressional candidate endorsed by president trump has finished first in a special election. a runoff will decide the winner. gngl w aol.er they're t the price could hit $5 billion. >>> a landmark trial begins today pitting apple against the company behind the popular game "fortnite." they accuse the app store of turning into an illegal monopoly. >>> time now for a look at your monday weather. a traffic camera in tupelo, mississippi captured what appeared to be a tornado on the ground. residents were told to stay indoors overnight because of downed power lines. the main threat forher tays in eastern oklahoma and northern texas. more tornadoes are rockies, parts of wyoming and colorado could see 14 inches pt. checking today's high temperatures, only 48 degrees in denv denver. around 40 in the pacific northwest. warm across the south. 64, albuquerque. >>> coming up,

republicans like maine senator susan collins are still stuck on the fundamental question. what is infrastructure collins can support other parts of the president's plan. >> like investments to fight climate change and benefits for caregivers and raising corporate taxes to pay for them. but so far the administration refuses to budge. this is the test. this will determine whether or not we can work together in a bipartisan way on an important issue. democrats like connecticut senator chris murphy are growing tired of the republican up here with that with that. >> with the name of a label is outside of washington, dc helps them. they murphy argues americans need traditional infrastructure improvements but also things that support the work force like more affordable childcare. many parents in particular, women are going back to work because they can't afford. >> place for their kids. >> and the white house is still looking at a soft memorial day deadline for a compromise. live in washington. i'm jessi tenure. >> thank you, jesse. coming up, gas is going up. power prices compar

i can tell you a handful -- senator romney, susan collins -- seemed to have a willingness towards a commission. but the bottom line is there's not 10 votes in the senate to do this, republican votes. that's what the democrats would need to get this through. that was my question to nancy pelosi this week, how long are you willing to wait before you move on this on your own and before democrats in the house form a select committee on their own? she wouldn't give a timeline to that but she did warn that either way, democrats are going to investigate this. there's a real fear on capitol hill among lawmakers right now that this is going to happen again and for republicans, sources that i have been talking to in the party, a t of them just really fear this was going to hang over the midterm elections, even though the commission would vended by the end of the year, they thought it would drip, drip, on and on, and continue to hang over the critical midterm elections at a time when trump is still a central part of the party. yamiche: republicans i have been talking to are worried about the implications

a handful of republican senators including susan collins of maine say they will support the commissionelieve there are many unanswered questions about the attacks on the capitol on january 6. we need to figure out how we can enhance security, but at least 10 republicans will have to vote yes to get the 60 votes needed to create the commission and that appears unlikely. >> senate republican leader mitch mcconnell cheered on by former president trump says he'll vote no and he expects most republicans. >> to join him in stopping the commission before it starts in washington, rashad hudson back to you. >> for republicans and the white house are hitting another roadblock on an infrastructure deal. the white house lowered the price of the plan. to 1.7 trillion dollars. but republicans say the cost is still too high. washington correspondent kellie meyer joins us live from capitol hill with where this could go from here. good morning, kelly. good morning. will senators return here to capitol hill this morning and they will begin continue those negotiations. but as one republican spokeswoman p