karen finney, susan del percio, and jimmy williams. you're shaking your hand, i think, channeling america right now, karen. >> it's shocking. i mentioned this before on this network. i actually worked with children who'd been sexually abused. actually, i'd prefer to say that they were raped. because i think these kids have to endure such a violent act that we should be able to say, as adults, admit what they have to deal with. and it's stunning. it is stunning the that anybody who saw anything or heard anything didn't immediately go to the police. and as you said, every single day, we're finding out some new piece of information. and again, i think it's important that we talk about this as what it is. i think that's important for the victims, that they are not re-victimized in this process. they were raped by a predator. it was not just abuse or fondling, or whatever, taking a shower, or whatever. they were raped. >> and it's also important that everyone sees that there are consequences for everyone along the way that knew something. t