and susan del percio, a republican strategist. san, i know this puts you in something of a box, but i enjoy doing that. my question, i've always sort of found -- what's the right word -- familiarity of rudy giuliani. i've considered him i know from growing up. big city kid. i know him. i don't dislike him in any personal way. i just wonder why he's changed to the guy who's willing to say outrageous things like you can't indict. you have to apologize to somebody. you can't have an informant. i mean all these rules are gone in terms of defending his current client. >> they are gone. and, chris, i'm so happy you showed that earlier video of rudy in 1998 because that's the giuliani i worked for. that's the administration i worked for. and that was someone who led our city through one of the darkest times. i have no idea why he's willing to sacrifice that legacy, if you will, for one of being the head p.r. guy to discredit the justice department. the only thing is i think he's back in campaign mode. he liked the 2016 campaign. he liked

he's an msnbc counterterrorism analyst and susan del percio, a republican strategist. thank you for being here. malcolm, i'll start with you because i started with you this morning when this was fresher news. and i had people tweeting me saying i haven't seen malcolm that angry. >> well, last time you saw me that angry was somebody insulting khizr khan and the gold star parent and his mother in front of me. i'm an old navy chief. i had a long career and i come from a very, very old military family. every father and so from the civil till today, including my niece who was just in combat off of yemen. i am a chief, my job as a chief is to make sure when i see something wrong, that it's recalibrated and i won't stand for what i heard about john mccain. i have met john mccain, i have taught students about his captivity, i read his official classified debrief when he came out of the hanoi hilton. i met people including admiral stockdale who everyday who would come over to our school and talk about what it was like being in the hanoi hilton and he loved john mccain. our advi

let's bring in howard dean and susan del percio, both are msnbc contributors. to you both on this sunday. susan, do you agree this is about delegitimatizing the special counsel's investigation, the fbi, the justice department as well? or do you think the president is justified in pursuing this further? >> no, i agree with that statement. and more specifically especially going after mueller, using his name, using the investigation that way. that's what the president does. we saw in his campaign he went after individuals, name called of that's his m.o. he is just taking it to the next level. i would slightly disagree with mr. haden though, and say that everyone on the fbi side may have been handling it right, but the president of the united states is certainly not. he should be removed from this. we always say he shouldn't tweet. but in this particular case he is doing himself grave injustice. >> howard let's look at a similar scenario. turn the tables here. if an fbi informant took place during a democratic candidate's presidential campaign, how would you want i

susan del percio, republican strat diss. and death fouhy.re is some sort of dinging and it is driving me crazy. if you hear a dinging at home, we apologize. let's talk about politics. the president, his son is now meeting with another representative of a wealthy arab country. this is not russia. when you saw this story come down, beth, what was your immediate reaction? >> my immediate reaction is don jr. is willing to meet with just about ib in. it is all a means to an end for the trump people. certainly is for his father. why to the for don jr. who is essentially running the campaign at this point. he met with the russian lawyer who said they had dirt on hillary clinton. and now he is meeting with with characters who run a social media manipulation company. why is he willing to entertain time and space in this campaign for people how are foreign actors who have no business sitting with the campaign -- the son of the presidential candidate, the nominee for the republican nomination. >> assuming it's all about the campaign. >> right. >> donal

carrie sheffield, and founder of bold, and republican strategist susan del percio, and staying with usce vance. joyce, you did outline before the break, going to have you do that again as to your thoughts about what the president is able to do and not do relative to this tweet. carrie, reaction from you, in that is this a sign that the "new york times" report struck a nerve with this president, and is there any room for you to understand the questionable optics of the meeting, even if nothing was acted upon, and subsequently this tweet. >> so well, the president made remarks, i would expect in response to this reporting to say that again inspector mueller appears to be going beyond the confines of his initial purpose for his investigation, which many conservatives like myself initially supported, but appears he is going far beyond the bounds of his duty. as far as the president's tweet now, there is considerable evidence that the fisa court and this entire witch hunt began with the steele dossier, which was unverified, paid for and financed by the hillary clinton campaign. that disclos

. >> susan del percio and dan calaway. what do the leaks reveal about the trump administration? an undisciplined administration not made up of professionals. these are the only people that would take these jobs in the administration for the most part, people are worried the trump administration working for it will hurt reputations down the road. that being said, it's also a reflection of general kelly as chief of staff. this should not be tolerated. if there's that much distress among staff, how can the public trust the administration if they can't trust each other? >> from a messaging standpoint, why do you think the white house is putting so much focus on the leaks as opposed to mitigating damage from the comments themselves. >> this president is a master deflector. let's not talk about the substance and why that was an abhorrent thing to say. deflect from the fact the young woman still has a job, deflect from the fact leadership comes to the top, said this in a room she thought would be received well or knew there would be no repercussions from it being such a vile thing. so

. >>> talk more about it with jeremy peters, and along with susan del percio, republican strategist.my, nancy pelosi isn't going anywhere on her own, and there is absolutely no doubt as garrett pointed out she is a prolific fund-raiser. is that enough? >> well, i don't know that it's enough. certainly it's a huge advantage that the democrats will have going in to these elections in november. i think, though, it speaks to kind of a larger problem that the republican party has in motivating its voters. you're going to make nancy pelosi a target, that's fine. what are you running on? you can't really just run against somebody. especially somebody like nancy pelosi who is, face it, she's not exactly a hillary clinton. and republicans have been very good at making villains out of their political opponents like hillary clinton, but it's just not clear to me that nancy pelosi brings that kind of power. that, like -- there is that much emotion invested in her from the right. i know that a lot of voters on the right dislike her and everything she symbolizes in being a san francisco liberal an

and today's panel, eddie glod, susan del percio. and "new york times" reporter and msnbc political analyst nick confessory. chris, i want to start with you. today's news in israel, does it help the president keep a campaign promise, or does it further the argument from his critics that he acts erratically? or not erratically. recklessly or could you argue it's both? >> first of all it is no question he is a man of his word with respect to his campaign. he said what he was going to do and he has done it. what worries everybody frankly about this presidency is the fact that i don't think he understands that one event could relate to other events. he has a situation now with europe where we are just running crossways with them across the board. it's not at clear we have any sort of transatlantic process going forward on any issues. and i think this was still another such issue. he doesn't seem to have any plan going forward in middle east peace. i know that jared kushner was over there in israel. but it's not at all clear that he is tr

republican strategist and political commentator susan del percio. to be on fire on this show, steve rattner. >> holy moly! >> nbc news national political reporter heidi przybyla and joining the conversation pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of the "washington post" and msnbc political analyst, always on fire, eugene robinson. and the host of msnbc's politics nation and the president of the national action network, the reverend al sharpton. >> on fire. >> mika will be back with us on monda monday. >> he's not on fire, he is fire. he is fire he's verified, he is sanctified, he is -- also on fire. >> trying not to be crucified. >> well, stay away from that, it's already been done, no second acts there, rev. so john heilemann, let's talk for a second, "the circus" on fire but another show on fire -- well not this season but we've been talking about "peaky blinders" man and i've got to say, cilian murphy -- well, the whole cast is extraordinary but when murphy and tom hardy are working across the table the acting is extraordinary. i e