joining me now, david brock, democratic strategist and susan del percio, a republican strategist and msnbc political analyst. david, let me start with you, does bernie sanders have to win michigan to bring back some kind of moment and some kind of feeling that he is still in this race with a serious chance of turning around the lead of vice president -- former vice president biden, even with still not knowing the final count in california? >> right, yes, i think he does. particularly because senator sanders won last time and i think he needs to win it by a convincing margin. if you look at the other states in play on the 10th, it's going to be very hard if sanders doesn't have a substantial up in michigan to lead biden. you think about the 13th be is so gaunting for sanders because that may be the day we know essentially who the nominee is. and i think basically what's happened here is the democratic electorate ended up being more pragmatic than risk-adverse than many people had thought. people -- i think sanders people looked a little too soon, particularly in nevada, and there was

, david brock, the chairman of the democratic organization american bridge 2 1st century and susan del percio is a republican strategist and msnbc analyst. david, let me take from the last exchange i had with the mayor of jackson. politics in this are where clearly all of us would hope does not enter it and will not remain in small situations they have. there was an ad put out that the president and his team is fighting that it not be by an organization you were united states affiliated with, priorities usa, that really talks -- that shows the president making statements at the beginning that this was a hoax by the democrats, the coronavirus was a hoax, then that it will be gone, it was only a few people, it will disappear, and on and on until he finally got to where he's dealing with a national emergency. do you think it is appropriate and even constitutional for the president to be fighting for an ad that shows him saying things about this particular pandemic at different stages when obviously they're not misquoting him, they're using video of him and obviously the public has a right to all

so, susan del percio, you know what?und interesting in listening to bernie, he didn't move to the middle of the democratic electorate, i hear bernie talk about health care reform. i agree with a ton of his talking points he would say the united states spends more money on health care per patient than any other country on the planet. that's true. that our health care system is extraordinarily inefficient. and while tens of millions of americans don't have health care insurance despite all this money we're spending on health care, you got big pharma and health care conglomerates racking in record profits, billions and billions of dollars and it is an extraordinarily inefficient system. we have universal health care. if somebody gets sick they go to the hospital, they get taken care of. but it is so inefficient. of course, it is so dehumanizing for those people who have to go into the emergency room for primary care. so there's so much that bernie sanders said that made sense that cries out for a solution that we will see i

kanisha grant, chris lieu, and susan del percio, welcome all. kanisha, to you first here, as we look at this nbc polling out of the state of north carolina, it shows bernie sanders leading joe biden by just two points, certainly well within the margin of error. 7% of voters remain undecided. how much do you think last night's huge win just, you know, to the south there in south carolina, moves the headwinds for biden? >> i think they're going to be incredibly important in moving those headwinds. i think we've been hearing a campaign of joe biden as a person who is not viable and bernie sanders as a person who is viable. now we have folks who might have been on the fence about biden who might feel more comfortable supporting him now. we might have some black voters who are worried about casting their vote to him and whether they should go to mike bloomberg, maybe choosing to stay in that camp instead of going somewhere else. >> interesting. chris, another nbc poll from texas shows sanders definitely having the lead there, 34% for sanders, biden b

joining the conversation, republican strategist susan del percio. former u.s. senator now an nbc news and msnbc political analysts clair mccaskill. and at the white house, white house correspondent for pbs news hour, yamiche. good to have you all on board. >> susan del percio where are you've been around new york leaders. we all remember what rudy giuliani did during 9/11. we remember despite what we've seen over the past four years with rudy giuliani, you saw him and others saw him marshal all the resources in new york city and also encourage the president of the united states to marshal all the resources of the federal government to help the people of new york city on 9/11. how far are we from that moment right now with this president? >> it's night and day, joe. and one thing that we saw with mayor giuliani was looking to coordinate efforts. he had a partner do that with the federal government. andrew cuomo's trying to do the same thing, but we have a president who's basing his leadership on volunteerism from other people instead of forcing people to manufac

. >> susan del percio, sir michael is conservative as are you. is it in the interest of conservatives to say bernie sanders has no future right now? >> bernie sanders dropped out now so the democratic party can heal itself, and we don't see what happened in 2016 which there were still a lot of ill feeling about when hillary clinton did not get the full support of bernie sanders folks, so they need to have that happen much earlier. they can't wait until june. so it would make sense that way. plus when you look at where biden is winning, he's winning in the suburbs. that's where the turn out calculation has changed. and michigan was a really tough loss for bernie sanders because if he can't win michigan, he can't win ohio. and look at those voters and look where we're looking towards 2020 for the general election. there needs to be accountsing to take on donald trump who can win there. >> joy reid made an interesting point on twitter. she said in 2012 there were -- 2008 black voters were waiting for white voters to say it was okay to vote for barac

. >>> joining me now is susan del percio who's worked with governor cuomo in the past, and chris lou who managed president obama's first term cabinet, later served as deputy secretary of labor in the obama administration. i was clumsy with that last question, but you see him sort of staking out a lane here in terms of how he's dealing with this. you saw this with jay inslee, with other governors as well. because of the federal reaction you've seen governors have to do more. they're recognizing the risks and difficulties of dealing with this crisis. >> that's exactly right. they know it falls on them to protect the people within their state. one of the words that the governor used, which i thought was important when he said this is not political. this is about the facts. president trump is treating this as a political problem. it is not. it's a public health crisis that needs to be addressed with information, and it is really scary what the president is doing right now because he called out a governor from because he didn't like his policy. >> called him a snake. >> he called him a sn

joining me here in new york, susan del percio, basil smikle. he's the former executive director of the new york state democratic party. rashad robinson is the president of color of change. beth fouhy is the senior politics editor for nbc and msnbc. politics editor for msnbc. and in harrisburg, pennsylvania, david jolly, msnbc political contributor and former republican congressman from florida, who is no longer affiliated with the party. and this panel will be with me through the course of the hour to make sense of this thing because i want to get all your takes on this. such a meaningful, meaningful day. i always refer to beth fouha. what do you make of it, beth? >> i can say i knew you when. wow, there's so many different messages here to unpack. obviously we've been waiting for the state that had a large number of african-american voters to prove or not prove whether or not biden's calculus was right and he could sort of stage his comeback here. clearly that's the case. so he's getting out of here with everything he wanted and more as mike m

joining me this hour reporter, susan del percio.r and president of future of media group, maria henehosa. and traveling with the biden campaign in virginia correspondent garrett haake. garrett, let me start with you. biden is speaking right now. what else have we learned about where it stands between his campaign and buttigieg's? has he been mentioned at this ratt rally? how do you see this affecting the race going forward? >> reporter: a whole lot of other public servants named and thanked by joe biden when he took the stage, but pete buttigieg's name has not yet passed his lips. biden was late to his own event here tonight. a lot of reporters and folks on twitter speculating that perhaps that phone call was happening even as we waited. but if booiden has spoken to pete buttigieg he has not yet shown his cards. i have covered booiden in a lot of early states and environments. today he's giving the same speech he typically does, but with so much more energy. he's feed iing off a larger and more energetic crowd than i have seen him d