. >> that's just the way it was until february when an engineer named susan fowler penned an incendiary blog post methodically recounting the harassment she dealt with at uber including her manager proposing sex on her very first day in his group. >> how big an impact did susan fowler have? >> big. >> huge. >> huge. >> she was not emotional. i know it sounds crazy. but she just laid this story out. she talked not just about the sexual harassment but the culture at large. and therefore, it wasn't just, "hey, someone touched my butt." like, "oh, no. i'm such a delicate flower. i can't handle that." >> and then when she complained the response was, "well, if you stay in his group, you're going to get a negative review. >> right. >> and you deserve it because you stayed. >> right. >> uber immediately condemned that behavior. months later, amidst this and other controversies, the ceo resigned. and then suddenly in just the past three weeks, other women began coming forward. naming the misdeeds. and in some cases naming the men. lindsay meyer and cheryl yeoh each say they were targeted by wel

especially after susan fowler wrote that incredible blog post about her year at uber, which launchedline and fall of travis kalanick, that women have started to come out and not talk in vague generalities, but usernames on the record and name the people who harass them. there has been an explosion over the last two weeks in silicon valley over this. job so been lost. there will be more explosions because women are going to keep talking about this. more names will come out and more jobs will be lost. >> what i am fascinated with is whether this is something that is been talked about in europe much. i have been in silicon valley for a few months, but it does not feel like perhaps we will get the exposure here. and i'm wrong? >> i'm afraid you are wrong. mentionednce that joe to the fact there are way more men than women in the vc industry in the tech industry as it is in europe an as it is in the u.s. this issue of imbalance i'm afraid will be the same here as well. caroline: you think therefore they are jobs that need to be lost in europe and asia to start to see the harassment elemen

you only way it is really only you will recently, especially after susan fowler wrote that i incrediblest about her year at uber, which launched the all decline and fall of travis video kalanick, that women have started to come out and not talk in vague generalities, but use their names so they are on the to you and you their names so they are on the record and name are a the people who harass them. there has been an explosion over will you will you the last two and i weeks in silicon valley over this. jobs have been lost. there will be more explosions aaron i be more explosions andthere will be more explosions because women are going to keep talking about this. women in medicaid more names will come out and more jobs will and more. will come out and more jobs will be lost. >> what i am fascinated with is whether this is something that is been talked about in europe much. will i have been in silicon valley for a few months, but it does not feel like perhaps we and does not feel like perhaps we will get exposure here like an silicon valley. am i wrong? that i willam i wrong? >> i'm afrai

so, it's really only recently, especially after susan fowler wrote that incredible blog post about herr at uber, which launched, really, the decline and fall of travis kalanick, the ceo, that women have started to come out and not talk in vague generalities, but use their names, so they are on the record, and named the people who harassed them, the men who harassed them. it has been an explosion over the last two weeks in silicon valley over this, and jobs have been lost. there are going to be more explosions because women are going to keep talking about this and more names are going to come out and more jobs are going to be lost. caroline: i'm fascinated with whether this is something that has been talked about in europe much. i've been in silicon valley for a few months, but it doesn't feel like we are going to get the explosions here that you are seeing in silicon valley. am i entirely wrong? martin: i'm afraid you are wrong. i think the imbalance of power that joe mentioned, between the fact that there are way more men than women, especially in the vc industry, but in the tech indu

it was strengthened by my two editors who are women and where i discussed susan fowler's allegations which happened and came out after i turned in my manuscript and the subject of women in uber more generally. >> it had been raised for years, the safety of women passengers. >> and i addressed this in a, you can judge me on if i addressed itenough . >> i understand that. >> and secondly, so to the extent that because this is an important element of the story, shame on me. shame on me that i didn't get it adequately. you also mentioned dave sherman's book. >> i was prepared for that. >> on roger ailes where you wrote this paving expose and nowhere in there did he mention the rampant allegations of sexual harassment. it wasn't rampant allegations new score or at fox news, it was, we later learned multiple settlements sexual harassment which had been, the terms of which had been both people can talk about it so this is dave sherman's report and i, my issue is that you couldn't, you couldn't cover fox news without knowing his reputation. did you know about this stuff and not write about i

uber, the story with bianary and now there is a cascade of individuals cominging forward, women susan fowlerrting with uber, three women with respect to the venture firm binary and now women standing up and talking about their experience with dave mcclure. unfortunately, one would expect being part of the industry that these things are isolated and they're not. i think it speaks to -- this just good governance all public companies and large investors out there expect companies to be well governed, well managed, and not be reckless in behavior this is just unacceptable overall. so increasing levels of conversation the conversation started probably two or three years ago within the industry. remember, we have roles within our firms. we also sit on private boards. and as the ceo of box erin leafy said when i put my firm together, i made it diverse because i didn't want to have to remodel my locker room later we need to follow the lead of people like erin and make sure as men and women that we don't let that, you know, become out of control again, that is not good for the health of these compani