that's not necessarily a great way to run a company if i step back, the leaks, the susan fowler exposureit not only started a real cultural change that was painful for uber but incredibly positive. the leaks led uber to finally understand they had to make the changes it's making as a company to break from the past and go forward as a company that does the right thing. and the press played a very, very big part in it. so i'm hoping that the press can be a big part of the solution going forward. >> i would add, building on the point about the pace of change, how do you have regulation that keeps up, there's one strong example in place now that's the eu code of conduct. setting a standard, making it clear what's expected. that's what should be the rallying point we need individually and collectively to be investing to ensure that kind of experience >> one thing that's interesting and quite disappointing is that a lot of regulation is calling for transparency you hear this a lot. you hear the way to build more trust is to be more transparent. trust and transparency are not synonymous you hav

susan fowler's blog post about the sexual harassment at the company.obviously the lawsuit from google's waymo over self-driving cars. all those things build up to it. ultimately it was a group of five investors led by benchmark that con -- convinced travels to resign. one interesting thing we showed, benchmark didn't expect him to go quietly. they thought it was more of an opening fwam bit and then he agreed to resign. scarlet: all right, fantastic story here on travels kalanick, available on bloomberg.com. -- niall us, neil ferguson, with what's going on in silicon valley and arn the world. let's talk about uber here. is this a network in the same way that facebook is a network or twitter is a network? or is it just a very narrow business in which travels kalanick has been able to ride the silicon valley wave? >> it's a network business and ride sharing was an example of what you could do with what people called society market, the goal is to establish the kind of dominance that had been established by facebook and social network -- facebook in social

women did this when susan fowler did it, we did this we believed her.ified her and real change happened at uber and market value was destroyed at uber because of that culture. >> i don't disagree with any of that but to add to david's question, tell me you haven't noticed in your life women have babies, men don't. >> i did notice that because i've had a few of them >> wait, request we get a breaking news on the screen. >> when women have babies, they're far more likely to choose hr over something else, right? they don't want to be in charge. men, for some reason -- once a man's wife has a baby, they don't feel compelled to slow down, but women want to. why? >> because we are the only developed country in the world that doesn't have mandated family leave i have had babies. it hurts and it takes a while to heal from it in those first weeks, i can assure you, it's not because i'm not an ambitious woman i'm an ambitious woman, but i wanted to be with my children. majority of women in this country, working women, do not have family leave. so they have to sta

if i jump off the cliff, then susan fowler came out it uber, and more people it silicon valley, then you had the sterling jewelry case, then taylor swift and now you have harvey weinstein. look at how far we have come in just 15 months. sally: here is the question -- in terms of getting this to stop -- there are two issues. the guys will be scared to do it because they will be called out and humiliated and people will think they are creeps. the other thing is, how do you get them to become decent human beings? how do you get them to realize this is not decent behavior? by the way, some of these people are evangelicals and christians and religious people who tolerate it the most. you mention it briefly in the book. gretchen: there is a horrific story in the book. sally: and this is not an unusual story among religious congregations. we have seen a sexual harassment situation in the catholic church. people won't commit crime because they are afraid they'll get caught, but only because they are afraid they will get caught. these guys may only not do it because they are afraid they will