joining us, staff writer at the new yorker, susan glasser, and "new york times" writer, jeremy petershere are serious questions and doubts that still remain about a number of these picks from donald trump. >> yeah, that's right. i thought, though, the point is well taken that there's almost a swarm effect happening here where there's so many potential controversies and so many of these nominees with issues, it's been hard for the political world to focus on just one of them. this week has certainly been pete hegseth's time in the barrel. it has the whiff of increasing desperation about it, the nomination. it might even be a surprise at this point might be if he manages to hold on. at the same time, that definitely has meant there's less scrutiny on perhaps, i would argue, one of the most if not the most disruptive potential nominations, that of kash patel, to be fbi director. especially considering that there is a current fbi director who has nearly three years left on his ten-year term. trump would have to fire christopher wray in order to send kash patel's nomination up to capitol h

susan glasser, to you first. your reaction to the report your colleague jane mayer about pig -- i keep saying that. pete hegseth. what does this say about how donald trump is picking people? it keeps getting worse for this guy. >> yeah, stephanie. if you haven't read the piece by jane in the new yorker, i highly recommend it. it's so voluminous. it's not just a report from a single disgruntled employee as that statement that you quoted. there is an enormous amount of information in there spanning multiple jobs that pete hegseth had. the allegations are disturbing. they remind me in some ways of the conduct that saying john towers nomination to be secretary of defense back in the first george hw bush presidency. it goes beyond not only the allegations of potential alcohol abuse in the workplace, but real questions about his ability to manage even two relatively small veterans organizations, to step into the pentagon job, the largest, most powerful military bureaucracy in the world. this does not suggest he has the

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joining me now is journalist and historian garrett graff also with me is susan glasser, staff writer at the new yorker. it's great to have you both on tonight and i'm eager to get your thoughts about what is a fairly kinetic situation here. susan, you've studied and reported on trump and his inner sanctum up close, and i kind of wonder how you think trump's own attitudes and ideas about addiction and alcoholism may be factoring in, if at all, to the weakening support here for his defense secretary pick. >> that's a really interesting point you raise. i think first of all we should say from has obviously chosen maximally confrontational nominees for some of these key positions in the government. fbi director, you mentioned kash patel, hegseth and the defense department, tulsi gabbard, the national intelligence. those are very radical choices and what's interesting is that the conversation here is that is not about the radical and extreme views that they espouse. it's not about the agenda to essentially blow up large swaths of the national security apparatus of this country, but whether

mckay coppins is here a staff writer at the atlantic and msnbc political contributor and susan glasser joins us. susan, put this into context. just how much impact rfk jr. could actually have if he is confirmed for this position? >> look, one thing that has already happened is donald trump and rfk jr. have normalize yet another thing that should be taboo in our society which is to attack some of the greatest and most significant public health victories of the 20th century whether it's undermining public confidence in life-saving vaccines or talking about taking the fluoride out of our drinking water. what they are doing is essentially saying, oh, it's fine. we will assure into the golden age of do your own research on the internet, and don't trust things. it is really notable to me that trump has done so not out of apparent conviction but as part of a very transparent political bargain to bring in rfk jr. and his supporters into trump's remade republican party. will he get confirmed? i think that's got to be the default assumption when you look at this republican senate and at the same

joining me is garrett graft and susan glasser. i'm eager to get your thoughts on what is a fairly kinetic situation here. susan, you have studied and reported on trump up close. i wonder how you think trump's own attitudes and ideas about addiction and alcoholism might be factoring in to the weakening support here for his defense secretary pick? >> first of all, we should say trump has obviously chosen max mallly confrontational nominees for some of these key positions in the government. fbi director kash patel. the national intelligence. those are very radical choices. what is interesting is that the conversation here is not about the radical and extreme views they espouse. it is not about the agenda but whether certain personal behaviors are outskirt liers so that might be the qualifier. if this were anything other than trump's washington i would say the signs are he will never make it to a vote. but trump has chosen the path of confrontation. he doesn't like to back down from a fight. six senators, the math here is they can only

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susan glasser is here, staff writer for the new yorker. andrew desiderio, senior congressional reporter for punch bowl news and neil carpio, who i have not seen in ages and i'm thrilled he's back on the department of justice veteran and former acting solicitor general during the obama administration. madam glasser, to you first. your reaction to the report by your colleague jane mayer about pig -- pete -- i kept saying that, i thought i shook it but i hadn't -- pete hegseth what does this say about how donald trump is picking people? it just keeps getting worse for this guy. >> steph, if you haven't read the piece by jane in the new yorker, i highly recommend it. it's so voluminous. this isn't just a report from a single disgruntled employee, as that statement that you quoted said. there is enormous amount of information in there, spanning multiple jobs that pete hegseth had. the allegations are disturbing. they remind me, in some ways, of the conduct that sank john tower's nomination to be secretary of defense back in the first george h.w

. >> susan glasser is with us as well. susan, the camp david accords, as we all know, were a very significant achievement for president carter, indeed for the middle east and the world. how has carter's leadership during those 13 days at camp david shaped the region? in the decades since? >> well, i have to say it's important to think of him in a cold war context, and that makes the achievement of the israel egypt accord at camp david even more remarkable, because it was in the context of a superpower competition in the mideast, one that has, you know, been reborn between the united states and russia after the cold war. what's remarkable about what jimmy carter did at camp david wolf, is that that is something that has endured over all these decades at a time when other peace has proved frustratingly elusive. israel and egypt have kept to the terms of that peace treaty, even over the last year and a half of the gaza war, you have seen that not, you know, been been stressed but not break. and that's a very important thing gi

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new capitol bureau chief and senior washington columnist, and new yorker staff writer, the great susan glasserl your new titles there. donald trump just said on nbc, speaking of immigration, that he is willing to work with democrats for a plan to keep -- protect dreamers, the people who came into this country as children. >> i mean, first of should check on stephan miller and his blood pressure right now. i'm sure this is not something his top immigration adviser is going to want to hear. i take -- i see this in two ways. number one, is if he wants to pass a big immigration bill through congress, he's probably going to have to give to some moderate republicans or democrats, but to me this more seems like him trying to sort of give a little sugar to make the medicine go down. donald trump, he has made clear he's going to deport migrants. he's going to crack down at the border on day one. i mean, he was just talking about trying to end birthright citizenship. that's obviously not going to happen because it's in the constitution. >> martha: he's said that before, yep. >> but look. maybe he's tryi

so to get into all of this, i'm joined by some incredible reporters, the new yorker, susan glasser, cnn'sristen holmes and the new york times, carl hulse. carl, i want to start with you, because i think everybody tries to figure out in the wake of an election, particularly one like we just saw, is this a realignment? is this a one off? what does this all mean going forward? when you talk to people on capitol hill every single day, what's their view in terms of what this signifies going forward 2024? >> well, i mean, our politics is cyclical, right? >> and you can see that from that map. >> things just keep on evolving and changing. and there seems to be a backlash. you know, when i've been thinking about jimmy carter, i thought, wow, there's the guy who paved the way for bill clinton. right. but bill clinton in some ways paved the way for newt gingrich. and those politics. and i think what struck me about the carter situation is the unity around him right now. right. there's a it shows how polarized our politics have become because it's striking how everyone has come together and finally

susan glasser, this is an odd one here, which is issuing blanket pardons to people who have not committedjustice department or fbi would go after, what is your take on this? it sounds like it is picking up some traction but it also sounds like these people are saying, i don't want the perception of admission of doing something wrong. >> i have run into a couple of people on that kash patel enemies list that is the appendix of 60 different names of what he calls deep state executive branch people that he put in his last book, which is entitled government gangsters and is an extraordinary document to exist for a prospective head of the fbi. i think the threat to these folks and potentially embers of the press is very real. there are numerous ways in which if you are determined you can use the tools of the government. you could really go after people. you could impute their name, there are numerous ways. i think the threat is real. but a couple of people on this list were very adamant, i've done nothing wrong and i don't want or need a pardon. i have talked to people and they are not leaving

. >> charlie, ben referenced this, you had reporting in 2022, from peter baker and susan glasser, trumpwas a special team evaluating the prospects mr. trump kept pushing. he suggested taking federal money from puerto rico, which he disparaged and using it to buy greenland, and trading puerto rico for greenland, and you have this from the same reporting. i said, why don't we have that, trump recalls in an interview for the book, you take a look at a map, i'm a real estate developer. i look at a corner, i say i've got to get that store for the building i'm building, et cetera, it's not that different. he added, i love maps, and i've always said, look at the size of this, it's massive, that should be part of the united states. being president of the united states, charlie sykes, slightly different than being a real estate developer? >> just slightly. this is one of those moments where you go is this real life? is this serious? is this a joke? we lost the distinction between the two. i have to admit i expected a lot of bad things to come from trump 2.0. i did not think the war with panama o

staff writer to the new yorker susan glasser. we'll be reading that piece online this morning. of uproar overseas. do you see things that could change that? at least domestically there's some democrats who think if trump were to follow through with the mass deportations plan that might be the spark that changes things? what do you think? >> well, i agree with what susan was saying about this exhaustion and you're seeing it, you know, by our newspaper readership is down, your viewership is down. i think people having been through this once are saying, oh, we have to do it again, and that is the slippery slope that we're talking about. it all becomes normalized. we just accept and say maybe it won't be so bad this time. so what does it take? there's a chance that we'll start to see this when the confirmation hearings begin in january. you know, some of the more outrageous characters may spark some. you're right, it may be round ups at the border and may require some other policy failure setting off a trade war, for example, or something we don't know. if we know anything that the