tonight from boston, the president of harvard, drew faust and the president of m.i.t., susan hockfield. >> i think an important part of how we think about competition in higher education is that it is always so tied up with collaboration and sharing it's a race that in a sense everyone loses, not one group or another. because if we discover things more fully, more rapidly, if we discover more things, if we are able to move research that will save lives or improve lives forward at a more rapid pace, that's good for everyone. >> we will be judged badly if america does not invent the next chapter in democratic capitalism. and it's democratic capitalism that's better for all. a democratic capitalism that welcomes all comers into our midst. america has so many fabulous models of opportunity for many that are to the world's benefit. >> rose: and from new york, a conversation recorded last week with felix rohatyn. >> caretaker share holding, which is a very good concept that people have. that the responsibility of directors, for instance, and shareholders, is not just to the stockholders but