susan mcdougal, more than 20 years ago, she was involved in a case when congress was investigating whitewater, a proper to deal, involving then president, bill clinton. she refused to give evidence to a grand jury, and she was charged with contempt. what happened to her? she eventually served 22 months in prison if the department of justice decides to prosecute steve bannon, he could be facing up to a year in prison if convicted alan fish. i thank you very much indeed. and those are the taliban, have a tight reporters covering a women's rights protests in the capital campbell, i gay, the long down. foreign journalists were hit with the bottom, a rifle and chased away from the rally. the afghan women were holding signs calling for greater participation in society as well as education and employment. more than 2 months after the town of anne took over the country, older girls are still not back at school. and there are no women in senior positions in the u government, and that man is also limited women's employment options. libby as unity government as stressed, its commitment to a ceasefire an

susan mcdougal, though, more than 20 years ago, she was an aide to president clinton. she was called in front of a grand jury to give evidence about the white water inquiry, which was all about a property deal. she refused to give evidence. she refused and was held in contempt, and was jailed for 22 months. if steve bannon is charged by the department of justice and he goes to trial, he could face up to one year in prison and a fine of $100000.00. alan fish there live from washington dc. new zealand prime minister. it says that strict code 19 lockdown measures will be lifted once 90 percent of the country is fully vaccinated. so far around 70 percent of the country is fully vaccinated now the largest city oakland has been locked down for more than 2 months and restrictions remain in place elsewhere. data has made it very hard to maintain our elimination strategy. it's tim nichols have reached into our communities and made it hard to shape even using the best public health measures in the toughest restrictions we had available to us. that right, as our longstanding stra

now, the most prominent modern example involved an ally of then-president clinton, susan mcdougal.nd bars for a year and a half of prison time for contempt. and she spoke out on her decision. >> she joins us this morning from arkansas. there are those that are hoping prison will invoke a change of heart. do you have any second thoughts? >> i can tell you, i don't. i become stronger with each day. >> stronger with each day. mr. bannon and his lawyers might want to take a look, though at that scene. contempt leading to someone sitting in that prison jumpsuit inside a prison for a long time. mcdougal was imprisoned under this third and final type of contempt, civil contempt. that uses the courts, but it's a civil lawsuit, just like any other lawsuit in america that you've ever come across. civil. you can just sue people, right? this is aimed at forcing people to comply. she didn't back down, so she was after that imprisonment for civil contempt, she was then hit with separate new criminal contempt charges to go after the punishment. that's an interesting footnote. because a jury did n

you may recall susan mcdougal during the clinton investigation being jailed because she refused to testify in response to a grand jury subpoena. that's the same strategy you would use there. and so the person would have to stay in jail. steve bannon said if a judge orders me to testify, i will do so. congress has the authority you to testify, and they have done so. but if he wants to play that game, you can go down that road and use that civil order to get him to either go to jail quickly or testify. so that's why i think that might be more effective in getting his testimony. >> we're going to dive deeper into this in the 4:00 p.m. hour, but for now, thank you both. great to see you. appreciate it. >>> still ahead, everybody, rewriting history. donald trump's dangerous attempts to turn ashley bathtub into a martyr of the january 6th insurrection and why that matters. >>> but first, the disturbing disappearance and death of gabby petito highlighting what experts say is a red flag of domestic violence. why our next guest says petito and many women like her were failed by both law enforcement

lawful request to cooperate involving executive branch officials you had a clinton case where susan mcdougalestify, and defiantly, rather than saying here's a reason, let's debate it, just i'm not going to cooperate at all. i'm going to hear from some of the coverage, refuse to testify, and mcdougal cited for contempt, that's the criminal contempt we hear about, given until a deadline to cooperate or go to jail, and she did go to jail. should that kind of potential precedent weigh on the minds of any of these trump officials or is it apples and oranges? >> 100%. not apples and oranges at all. legally, if they defy these subpoenas which have the immense gravity of the committee, and massive investigative need behind them, they're looking at contempt, civil and criminal. ari, there's a more important point which is just what makes good prudent sense. when i was in the government, whenever we had a request for information, we tried to get it. we didn't want to be accused of hiding anything, and that was for, you know, minor accusations or whatever. we always wanted to try and open our books and

we saw this in the white water investigation with susan mcdougal and she wouldn't respond to ken starr's subpoena, and she served, i think, 18 months in prison for noncompliance. but the u.s. attorney would probably impanel a grand jury to make, i think, a pretty short investigation as to whether steve bannon was actually in defiance of a lawful subpoena out of the committee, and then would charge him and then there would have to be a trial. so yes, this takes some time, and as i said, i think this is -- this is a ploy to run out the clock so that it just -- there isn't any time to finish this process before the midterms and then the democrats conceivably could lose their majority and this would all go by the wayside, which would be a tragedy for a democracy itself and the american people, frankly. >> just very quickly, isn't that what might happen here? i mean, once something gets into the court system, isn't it possible that it's slow rolled, not intentionally, but just, you know, court cases take a long time. >> absolutely. i mean, that's a year from now. but you know, the judges do k

. >> i mean, susan mcdougal spent time in prison for contempt of congress in the white water case, which is a nothing case. they impeached clinton. what they're counting on it seems to me is they are trying to thug it out. they think the under thug kevin mccarthy who is a complete weakling and has no spinal defense against donald trump will be speaker and he can wipe it away. that's what they're thinking. they're like we'll thug it out because our guys will be in charge soon. >> that's exactly right, joy. i think it's important to talk about some of these other republican members of congress that enabled this to happen in the first place. people like kevin mccarthy. people like the congressional committee chairman and congressman scott perry from pennsylvania. there is an entire chapter about scott perry and senate judiciary committee report about january 6th, the planning into it and republican donors that funded this thing and also fund republican members of congress. there is so much here that needs to be reality is, the enemy is truly within. the enemy is and the house of representat

remember, susan mcdougal spent 18 months in jail because she refused to participate in the white waternvestigation. does it only apply against democrats? i don't think so. the law applies to everybody, including former presidents and including friends of former presidents who are facilitating the incitement. >> and steve bannon was also charged with crimes for which he was pardoned by donald trump. so i wonder if you're confident this will be where the rubber meets the road? if the subpoenas for steve bannon should be enforced, and if not, he will be charged with contempt. >> i think they must be. i think the referral to the doj and the u.s. attorney's office will help to move the process much more smoothly than any process in the trump administration years. i would like to piggy back off something he said. i think that in this particular case, i still believe the vast majority of american people want to know the truth of what happened that day. and to that end, i think the fact we do have republicans on the special committee will help us in bolstering the case for enforcing these subp