guest: let me turn to susan mcdugele first. susan mcdoogle was convicted after a very long trial by a federal jury of felonies. those feloniesro out of her stewardship with respect to madison guaranteed savings and loan that she and her husband, james mcdoogle who was also convicted, owned and ran. so that's just the facts. now, let the record show she was pardoned by president clinton on his waning days in so the blotter is clean. but she was convicted. now, we then asked her, she was subpoenaed to testify before the little rock grand jury. these are her fellow citizens nd she refused to do that. -- directed her ordered her to testify truthfully before the grand jury. and she declined to do that. o she was both civilly found guilty of contempt. that is to say all you have to do is go in and testify and you can be released. but at the same time she was serving her criminal sentence imposed by the late judge george howard who was an appointee of president carter. so politics aside, in terms of the conditions of confinement this i

there were other indictments including one of susan mcdugele for obstruction of justice and criminalontempt and then of two bankers in a small bank on who owned the small bank outside little rock for banking violations. those did go to trial and resulted either in acquitals from some towns or a hung jury, a divided jury in others. host: north carolina, good morning. caller: good morning. thank you for taking my call. that wanted to say myself and many, many of my friends think that -- and it's pretty obvious, that all these can hes, commissions, -- committees, commissions, what have you, are so porous that any information of any consequence -- any consequence -- leaks out. do you really think, after all this time and millions of dollars spent on this charade or lack of a better word, that mueller and his minions have any sort of apocalyptic information on donald trump that hasn't already been played out in the press 50 million times? guest: well, thank you. well, i do have a different perspective but first of all i'm behind as we all are the vail of ignorance. and it will surprise yo

guest: let me turn to susan mcdugele first. susan mcdoogle was convicted after a very long trial by a federal jury of felonies. those felonies arose out of her stewardship with respect to madison guaranteed savings and loan that she and her husband, james mcdoogle who was also convicted, owned and ran. so that's just the facts. now, let the record show she was pardoned by president clinton on his waning days in office. so the blotter is clean. but she was convicted. now, we then asked her, she was subpoenaed to testify before the little rock grand jury. these are her fellow citizens nd she refused to do that. -- directed her ordered her to testify truthfully before the grand jury. and she declined to do that. o she was both civilly found guilty of contempt. that is to say all you have to do is go in and testify and you can be released. but at the same time she was serving her criminal sentence imposed by the late judge george howard who was an appointee of president carter. so politics aside, in terms of the conditions of confin