. >> so david and susan moore came into our office. >> reporter: susan moore is dave's wife. what did they say when they got into the office? >> the first thing they told us was a wiretapping incident. >> reporter: wiretapping? >> yes. >> reporter: dave and sue claimed paul tapped his wife's phone to spy on her during divorce negotiations and, sure enough, here are the court documents. in 1997 paul was arrested on four counts related to tapping both his wife's and in-laws' phones. he pleaded guilty to one count of electronic eavesdropping, a felony. the other charges were dropped, and paul served no jail time. but the wiretapping story was just a prologue to what they were really there to talk about. >> who do you think is capable or responsible for actually setting up an explosive device in that panel? >> i think, like, probably 90% paul. >> reporter: but dave and susan couldn't really give a reason why paul would want to kill roberto, other than they felt paul just had the kind of personality to do something like that, while pete didn't. >> so you don't think peter is capab

. >> so david and susan moore came into our office. >> reporter: susan moore is dave's wife.t did they say when they got into the office? >> the first thing they told us was a wiretapping incident. >> reporter: wiretapping? >> yes. >> reporter: dave and sue claimed paul tapped his wife's phone to spy on her during divorce negotiations and, sure enough, here are the court documents. in 1997 paul was arrested on four counts related to tapping both his wife's and in-laws' phones. he pleaded guilty to one count of electronic eavesdropping, a felony. the other charges were dropped, and paul served no jail time. but the wiretapping story was just a prologue to what they were really there to talk about. >> who do you think is capable or responsible for actually setting up an explosive device in that panel? >> i think, like, probably 90% paul. >> but david and susan couldn't really give a reason why paul would want to kill roberto other than they felt paul just had the kind of personality to do something like that, while pete didn't. >> so you don't think peter is capable of actually

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national security advisor susan rice talks about donald trump and the predecessor he can't get past, barack obama. and later in this show i'll talk to filmmaker michael moore about the candidate he says is the democrats' best chance of beating trump in 2020. and at the end of the hour i'll ask recent british prime minister david cameron, he'll be here, his thoughts on president trump. but we begin with msnbc's very own rachel maddow. i recently talked to her about her new book, blowout. in 2019 robert mueller released his report on russian interference in the 2016 election and the role president trump and those around him played in all that. understanding what motivated trump is only half the story. why was it that russian president vladimir putin was so intent on messing with our election? why were there more than a hundred contacts between trump associates and russians during the campaign? those are some of the questions that led rachel maddow to write her new new york times best selling book, blowout. where she reports putin's actions were an act of desperation as his country's sole economic industry of oil and gas was being strangled by u.s. sanctions.

it was just -- susan: did "the guardian" see you on the internet and come find you? chris: it was an editor, heidi moore, who knew me for my business writing. she summing -- she saw on the -- saw me on twitter and asked me to write some business articles for her, which i did, on wall street. not very favorable to wall street articles. from there, she introduced me to the op-ed people and i started writing more political pieces. susan: who -- how did the book idea come together? chris: that was entirely accidental. meaning -- i did hunts point for three years and eventually i had to leave for emotional reasons, i was into deep. -- in two deep. -- too deep. it wasn't fair to my family. it was getting me to be -- i was drinking too much and it was not a good place. to see such pain, to be surrounded by such pain. i exercise the option few people have and i left. i decided to be a geek about it to be mathematical about it and i put on my science hat. i had learned all of these things at hunts point and i want to see if they were translational he -- translationally invariant. what i was seeing at hunts point

former national security advisor susan rice talks about donald trump and the predecessor he can't get past, barack obama. and later in this show i'll ta to filmmaker michael moore