>> what we know is susan rice -- >> no, do you know if the >> and susan rice went on national televisionade statements that had no -- >> i watched it. >> -- no basis in truth. >> i saw everything you saw. i want you to them me something i don't know. >> when you have a lead administration official -- >> okay. you're repeating yourself. >> when you have a lead administration official go on television and absolutely not tell the truth -- >> this is the third time you're saying it. i'm asking you, let me ask you another question again. the same question again. i've asked you three times. what did the president know to your knowledge in terms of having her say what she said on "meet the press" that sunday? i watched it. you watched it. did the president have a role in that or not in. >> i think he has a role today. that is as you and i both have said, we know what she said is not true. >> i agree with that. the fifth time you're saying it. >> -- that it wasn't true. >> okay. you don't know any more than i do. >> it's wrong for the white house to perpetrate this truth. i can tell you that i k

i thought susan rice did a bang up job. in fact, after it was over, i said she's just pretty much nailed down the secretary of state job. she's defended the administration. she did it with great power and authority. it was a compelling case she made. i would assume that after she made that performance, he got calls from everybody including the president saying, good work. that's what's so ironic about this. >> except that the president said in his press conference the other day, three days later we went up and told them the correct story. by the way, one other thing. go back -- >> in other words, he honored her for offering a cover story. >> three days later they told a different story on the hill. i would say one other thing. go back to the videotape of the president on monday. he said -- he said at the beginning of his press conference, well, we acknowledged at the beginning that this was terrorism. >> so subtly that mitt romney and his entire campaign missed it. >> i know. but my ears perked up at the word "acknowledged.

it's not whether susan rice's fault. the state department's false for cleansing talking points that came from the intelligence community. >> one steve hayes our friend got ahold of that e-mail and knew that, the jig was up and that's why you get the admission that the talking points were political phony bologna. >> megyn: for it to be said it wasn't her fault, no it wasn't. the intel community did it. but they did it after state kept sobbing to their talking points over and over and finally again, according to the house report, quote, white house officials responded by stating the state department's concerns would have to be taken into account, which means do it. cleanse the talking points and off susan rice went. chris, thank you. >> you bet. >> megyn: we're going to bring you more, some of the highlights from the hearing just ahead. also colonel ollie north joins us live after the break. plus, just got word from cleveland that one of the three young woman held for ten years is about to arrive home. what we expect to he

as you know, michael and suzanne, susan rice went on those shows.id almost a full ginsberg and went to almost every show and talk about this attack on benghazi being the result of a video, an anti-islam video that sparked a siege at the u.s. embassy in cairo. there was an assumption among news organizations that perhaps this was just basically the same thing that happened over in benghazi. and the administration through susan rice was essentially saying that. but if you go back and look at this e-mail exchange, there are administration officials who seem to know more or at least suspect more about all of this. now, we should also caution because a lot of people are going to say, hey, wait a minute, all this was done for political reasons, that may very well be the case in the long run, we don't have confirmation of that at this point. there are also concerns expressed in these e-mails that they want to make sure that the talking points reflect the fact it was an ongoing investigation and they they don't want to jeopardize that investigation. one oth

what susan rice said or didn't say that sunday on "meet the press"? >> well chris, i think that in the end, the president is accurate. these talking points become a sideshow to what really is the heart of the issue. you and i discussed this earlier. why are these officials in the state department and which the american people want to see held accountable for the denial of security requests that the state department denied to our ambassador and its embassy. this is where the whistleblowers that we're hearing are prepared to step forward and other foreign service officers feel intimidated. i'm convinced if these people were ultimately held accountable and american people were aware of the decision-making that led to these deaths notice first place, was resolved, all of this talk about talking points would become immaterial. i think the real problem goes back to the fact that americans, republicans and democrats alike, want to know why these four americans did not have the security that they should have had and if that issue and answer was not resolved b

susan rice's integrity. mike mullen and tom pickering's integrity. mine gets challenged by these same folks. they've used it for fundraising. and frankly, you know, if anybody out there wants to actually focus on how we make sure something like this does not happen again? i am happy to get their advice and information and council. but the fact of the matter is these four americans, as i said right when it happened, were people i sent into the field. and i've been very clear about taking responsibility for the fact that we were not able to prevent their deaths. and we are doing everything we can to make sure we prevent it, in part because there are still diplomats around the world, who are in very dangerous, difficult situations. and we don't have time to be playing these kinds of political games here in washington. we should be focused on, what are we doing to protect them. that's not easy, by the way. it's going to require resources and tough judgments and tough calls and there are a whole bunch of diplomats out there who know they're in

hicks, to the sunday talk shows and ambassador susan rice. she blamed this attack on a video. in fact, she did it five different times. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped. and i was embarrassed. >> though the committee's top democrat criticized darrell issa and his intentions. >> let me be clear, i am not questioning the motives of our witnesses. i am questioning the motives of those who want to use their statements for political purposes. >> late this afternoon congressman chaffetz asked hicks if the u.s. asked permission of the libyans to fly a military mission in its air space. hicks said no, but that he believed the libyans would have granted it. >> bret: mike emmanuel, thank you. there was particular focus today on the now infamous sunday talk show marathon by susan rice. you heard mike mention it. james rosen has that part of the story and more. >> every piece of information that we get and as we got it, we laid it out for the american people. >> if any administration official, including any career official had been on television on sunday,

. >> so fast forward, to the sunday talk shows and ambassador susan rice. she blamed the attack on the video and she did it five different times. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped. i was embarrassed. >> joining the panel this week, wall street deputy editor damage henningger and brett stevens and jason riley. so dan, what is the single most important takeaway you have from this hearing? >> i guess, paul that there is such a vast distance between what gregory hicks described as happening last night and what the administration described for virtually a week. what gregory hicks described was intense fire fight in benghazi lasting all night involving heavy weaponry. that is september 11th. on september 13th, jay carney attributes to a youtube video. susan rice goes on television the same thing and the following tuesday, jay carney is still attribute to go this to a youtube video. why was the obama administration trying to suppress the events that gregory hicks.... >>> your conclusion is based on his testimony that they were trying

it has completely exonerated susan rice. they had no role in the talking points. she wasn't spinning them. she was accurately conveying what was contained within those talking points, created by the intelligence committee. i think she's owed an apology. >> karen, there's almost an obsession that they must lay everything at the foot of the president. they can't just say something is amiss here. even senator mitch mcconnell, when pressed on this on "meet the press" about the scandals and accusing the president, let me show you this exchange. >> there is a culture of intimidation throughout the administration. the irs was the most recent example. >> do you have any evidence that the president of the united states directed what you call a culture of intimidation at the irs to target political opponents? >> i don't think we know what the facts are. >> that hasn't stopped you from accusing? >> you know, it's so offensive because clearly what they are trying to do is link all of this together and by innuendo make it seem as though this culture of intimidation, they are t

there was particular focus today on the now infamous sunday talk show marathon by susan rice. you heard mike mention it. james rosen has that part of the story and more. >> every piece of information that we get and as we got it, we laid it out for the american people. >> if any administration official, including any career official had been on television on sunday, september 16, they would have said the same thing that ambassador rice said. >> those statements about what the obama administration knew when susan rice appeared on the sunday shows of september 16 came under fresh assault. >> did you report to anyone in washington within the first couple of days that there was anything in connection, a protest in connection to a youtube video? >> no. the only report that our mission made through every channel was that there had been an attack on a consulate. >> not a protest? >> no protest. >> further evidence that mr. obama's aides knew rice's narrative was false came when a gop law maker read from a previously undisclosed e-mail that beth jones, acting assistant secretary of st

>> let's start with susan rice. ambassador rice went out that day, and represented the administration. and spoke to what happened with the best information we had, that everyone in the administration had, is what she looked at. and that was the consensus of the intelligence community. what we do is we want to go out and speak to the problems as they happened. what's important is when problems happen, the president takes responsibility for them and tries to fix them. that's what we're talking about in benghazi. you're right, that was a tragedy. the question isn't who edited what talking points. that is irrelevant. what is relevant is to make sure that doesn't happen again which is why the president is call on congress to beef up security at embassies around the world. >> schieffer: i want to thank you for coming this morning. i know this is not an easy job eye mean, do you kind of feel like someone who drew the black bean here? you're the one who has to go out and try to explain? >> no, it's a privilege to be here wit

susan rice knew nothing. she was the wrong person. but to apologize, and she misled the american people. >> according to an editorial, every version of the talking points covered the assessment that they were spontaneously inspired by protests at the u.s. embassy and evolved into a direct assault. >> so much of this is a function of time. you noticed how quickly all of this happen? nobody has any time to figure this out. we expect the government to be able to respond instantaneously in chaotic events. it is an unrealistic assumption. >> the paragraphs that actually have the truth, and that was redacted. that's the problem. >> the fbi concurred because they did not want to tip off. >> there is a memo that says the fbi had no trouble with the talking points. >> i disagree. >> i challenge anyone to tell me how this benghazi story moves to the dimensions the base of the republican party wanted it to be. it is food for those that began believing that barack obama was illegitimate as president. >> looking at the ap's phone records. >> this

this was used as u.n ambassador susan rice's talking points when she went on five sunday talk shows the sunday after the terror ambush. doug mcelway has the latest from washington now. >> afternoon, kelly. a tough day for jay carney. for the first time since the benghazi attack happened, the white house press corp, not just fox, ganged up on carney who is struggling to find answers to yesterday's abc news report that 12 revisions were made in the benghazi talking points. first issued by the cia. the first draft said, and we quote, we do know they participated in the attack. the final draft after the 12 revisions which susan rice delivered on the five talk shows made no mention of al-qaeda. her remarks attributing it to an anti-islam film was not true given what the cia knew. shear one of carney's attempts to explain that. >> we knew that -- we believed based on the intelligence assessment ks stream mists were involved, and there was suspicions about what affiliation the extreme mythses might have of the there was not hard, concrete evidence. >> one of the people now at the center of the

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five days later, susan rice goes on television and says the same thing. and in fact, on the following tuesday, september 18, jay carney is still attributing this to a youtube video. why was the obama administration trying to suppress the events that gregory hicks -- >> your conclusion is based on hicks' testimony that they were trying to suppress -- >> yes -- >> the story that this was a terrorist attack? >> you can call it whatever they want. they didn't want to talk about what happened in benghazi that night. >> oh, and -- hicks himself said during the testimony that he was pressured into keeping his mouth shut by state department officials. the fbi did not talk to him during their investigation. this is about transparency, paul. it's a national security failure. and it's transparency in the aftermath. that's the problem here. the -- much of the media, particularly the liberal media, want to make this, oh, this is simple partisan bickering in congress. same old, same old. let's move on. no, this is about a -- an administration not being forthcoming mont

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we don't care about what susan rice said. what we care about is why did we leave four americans on their own? there was a message to every man, woman in the future that we put into harm's way that if you get in a tight spot. >> we're not going to comeha and get you. remember this,f at the couple is ier isman said to melissa grant i knew wherever i was was you thought of me and if i got a tight spot you would come in i was alive. >> i understand there is a loft anger in the intelligence community feeling like they have been in essence blamed for everything from them rewrite of the memos cop. s this mean that at some point they are going to break their silence come forward and start telling the story because they wante to preserve their honor and dignity? these cia guys who i respect so much because they put their lives on the line. they risk everything. and they don't get the opportunity to go home and tell their families whates they have done for america today. they are being blamed for all of this.un will some of them start

this new push stems from revelations that the cia's original talking points used by ambassador susan rice in the days after the attack had undergone significant edits by senior administration officials. >> for the president's spokesman to say well there were only words or technical changes made in the e-mail is a flat-out untruth when we know any reference to act of terror or al qaeda were removed from those talking points and it was done at a deputy's meeting just before susan rice went -- >> would you call this a cover-up? >> i'd call it a cover-up. i would call it a cover-up in the extent that there was wi willful removal of information which was obvious. >> he said untruths by the way. he did not use the word lie. >>> former defense secretary robert gates defending the administration's handling of the attacks in libya. >> based on everything i've read people really didn't know what was going on in benghazi contemporaneously, and to send some small number of special forces or other troops in without knowing what the environment was or threat was without having any intelligence in terms

>>gretchen: ambassador susan rice went on five sunday talk shows, as you know, after the attack and blamed the video. >> james bond would have been ashamed. an american diplomat accused of being a spy ordered out of the country. a third secretary at our embassy was caught with a spy kit suitable for a ten-year-old, wearing a really bad blonde wig. you see it on him there. wait until you see when he stands up. i hope we have that. russia claims he tried recruiting a russian intelligence officer. fogel has been handed over to the u.s. embassy. he has diplomatic immunity that protects him from arrest. the state department only says he is an embassy

. >> noticing that three days after susan rice's appearance on those sunday shows, the white house put out information that this was a terrorist attack. the president questioned the logic and the motivation of those fanning the flames of the alleged scandal. >> the whole issue of this, of talking points, frankly, throughout this process has been a sideshow. who executes some sort of cover-up or effort to tamp things down for three days? so the whole thing defies logic, and the fact that this keeps on getting churned out, frankly, has a lot to do with political motivations. >> the president's defiance extended to calling these political games and a political circus, and that a great dishonor to our diplomats. joining us now from the white house, cnbc chief washington correspondent, john harwood. political writer for "the new york times". john, the president was exasperated by what he called the political circus around bengha benghazi. i want to start with the irs issue. the president calling the alleged bias in targeting conservative groups ju s outrag. a blunt condemnation. how far did

ambassador susan rice delivered the false talking points. the emails reveal that white house officials, like john brennan, director of cia, made at least one substantive change on friday, a fact that contradicts the claim by jay carney that the white house's only transaction to the 12 drafts of the talking points was the minor tweaking of consulate to diplomatic facility late in the process. the fbi was still maintaining that al qaeda was involved in the benghazi attacks even after the cia had stricken all references to that terror group from the talking points. >> why were the emails classified? there is nothing particularly earth shaking. when things are classified that i am suspicious maybe shouldn't be classified, it never sends a very good signal to me. >> reporter: i think that will be the conclusion of those who studied benghazi carefully and followed this story all along that the contents are not helpful to the white house and the narrative it has tried on many months to assert about benghazi. i don't think the emails help them -- >>

. >> fast forward to the sunday talk shows and ambassador susan rice.this attack on a video. she did it five different times. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped and i was embarrassed. >> do republicans at least on some level have reason to continue this investigation? >> i don't doubt that there are still questions that remain that can be answered by some continued look at what happened during those days of benghazi. let's take a step back a little bit and realize these things are happening realtime. a phone call comes in to the secretary of state that says there's a terrorist attack. she's probably getting information from a variety of other sources at the same time and feeding that in through a process. they are trying to manage it. the president referred to this as a terrorist attack when he came out into the rose garden to have that conversation. the notion that there was something going on here that involved people taking action against the united states of america that did not have the u.s. best interest at heart and

with us via lou: we also learned hicks was never contacted by the investor of the united nations, susan riceor her staff before she went on five different sunday morning talk shows to deliver false talking points regarding a so-called protest sparked by an anti-islam video. said everybody on the ground that day was aware "from the get go" that it was a terrorist attack did >> so fast-fward to the sunday talk shows and investor susan rice did she blames his attack on a video, in fact she did it five different times. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped, and i was embarrassed. >> d she talk to you before she went on the five sunday talk shows? >> no, sir. >> you were the highest-ranking official in libya at the time, correct? >> yes, sir. >> she didot bher to have a conversation with you before s went on national television? >> no, sir. lou: hicks added the president of libya was furious after the ambassador raised appearances because he went on those same sunday talk shows, he described the attack as a preplanned terratec did according to hicks, he felt embarrassed

bengahzi one susan rice. bengahzi two, hillary clinton. if you consider our committee this is an investigation committee. they don't have anything to investigate about this president. so, they just redo investigations they've already had. more build up, get the press all excited. we wondered if there was going to be--i almost wish there were because we want to get to the bottom of this. we agree with the report. we believe mistakes were made. this was a classic case of bipartisanship but they were not even let the democrats according to the usual procedure, interview the witnesses ahead of time so that we could prepare. we were kept out all together. so you can see that they were into a mode that they didn't get economic. >> john: well, senator rand paul who we now know may be running for profit said that hillary clinton should not be allowed to hold another public office because of bengahzi. she doesn't hold office now so he must be referring to her future plans. how much of this hearing do you think has to do with damaging hillary clinto

hicks, to the sunday talk shows and ambassador susan rice. she blamed this attack on a video.times. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped. and i was embarrassed. >> hicks, who served as ambassador stevens second in command, said he was demoted for questioning the administration's actions. he referenced an angry phone call he received from the chief of staff to then secretary of state hillary clinton who, according to him, was upset that he spoke with a republican congressman without a state department lawyer present at the meeting. >> what did she have to say to you? >> she demanded a report on the visit. >> was she upset by the fact this lawyer -- this -- >> was upset. >> this boibt babysitter and spy, was she upset about that fact? >> she was very upset. >> this goes right to the person next to secretary clinton, is that accurate? >> yes, sir. >> mr. chairman, here is a guy with 22 years of outstanding service to our country. now they are obstructing because he won't -- he won't help them cover this up, he's an honorable man here telling the truth.

go" that it was a terrorist attack did >> so fast-forward to the sunday talk shows and investor susan riceid she blames his attack on a video, in fact she did it five different times. what was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped, and i was embarrassed. >> did she talk to you before she went on the five sunday talk shows? >> no, sir. >> you were the highest-ranking official in libya at the time, correct? >> yes, sir. >> she did not bother to have a conversation with you before she went on national television? >> no, sir. lou: hicks added the president of libya was furious after the ambassador raised appearances because he went on those same sunday talk shows, he described the attack as a preplanned terratec did according to hicks, he felt embarrassed and delayed the fbi investigators from going to benghazi, a delay of 17 to 18 days. oversight committee member was one of those questioning witnesses today. he joins us with his assessment of the extraordinary testimony that we have heard. the benghazi whistleblowers themselves revealed new information about the events of se

the fact is about susan rice. the fact that obama and hillary were pushing the video line weeks later to the u.n., at the funerals, i think that's part of the discussion as well. it's not just myself or bill o'reilly who has questions about this as he mentioned tom brokaw and the entire white house press core lean very far right as of friday without my knowledge there are legitimate he questions here. >> obama stalk to the line today that's not the ace. down played the terrorism angle on this. the irrelevancy irs issue they have had several years they have known about this and that was covered up. ig report in process. the woman at the irs who admitted to this and apologized for it didn't mean to do that this was not a planned release of this information. she was asked a question about it and that is deeply concerning. they did not figure out they needed to deal with this swiftly and bring people to answer for it. >> bill: the report comes out as mary katharine referenced later on this week. >> why the way, that's

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hicks, to the sunday talk shows and ambassador susan rice. she blamed this attack on a individualsio. in fact, she did it five different times. whatwhat was your reaction to that? >> i was stunned. my jaw dropped. >> bill: brutal testimony today about how the obama administration mishandled the attack on our ambassador to libya. and three other americans who were murdered in benghazi. a key question. why did washington refuse to send help? >> i notified my leadership that we needed to go forward. when told that it was not the right time. >> bill: another key question. did president obama and secretary of state clinton do anything wrong? >> did she ask you about the cause of the attack? >> i don't recall that being part of the conversation. will. >> bill: tonight. we have straight talk about benghazi. also, upcoming on the factor, there is a verdict in the jodi arias murder trial. >> guilty. >> bill: and the latest on that horrendous kidnapping in cleveland. caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. >> bill

but all that was taken out before susan rice went on the sunday talk shows. we invited congressmen from two key house panels. mike rogers the republican chair of the intelligence committee and from seattle adam smith the top democrat on the armed services committee. you were on "fox news sunday" september 16 right after susan rice came on the show he and she said it was a spontaneous reaction to a video he that had been hijacked by extremists. from the very beginning you doubted her account. let's watch. >> i have serious questions. it seemed to be a military style coordinated. i'm just suspect that they could come to that conclusion that it was a spontaneous effort given the coordination of it. >> chris: after what you learned this week, the fact of what state department officials were saying during the attack. how often and the talking points were changed, did the obama administration mislead or even lie to the american people? >> well, it is -- here is what we know. we know that the in it tell against was accurate leading up to the event and shortly therea

ambassador susan rice went on the sunday talk shows to say the attacks were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the u.s. embassy in cairo which were over an offensive you-tube video about mohammed but thanks to jonathan carl we now know that the original c.i.a. memo said their best guess was that the attacks were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the u.s. embassy in cairo as did every other version of the memo. that does not help my argument. so forget that part. just remember this. they took out any mention of al qaeda and removed all the c.i.a. warnings of imminent threat. bottom line. susan rice went on the sunday shows and, for political reasons, was not completely accurate about something in the middle east. you would never see a republican do something like that. folks, benghazi isn't even the best. i mean, worst scandal to hit the administration today. >> the white house also had to respond today to another fire storm. the admission by the i.r.s. that it gave extra scrutiny to organizations with the words, quote, tea party or, quote, patriot in their titles when t

>> this was the ultimate collapse of a conspiracy theory and the e-mails showed susan rice was not any part of the talking debate. the previous republican attacks have been proven to be spurious. it was the real leaking of the fabricated quotes of these e- mails by the republicans by jonathan carl, the reporter which started a frenzy this week and now we know it started the e-mails which essentially -- >> do you know any such fabrication as alleged to? >> yes, he quoted one of the e- mails from somebody in the white house saying the state department was involved -- >> the e-mail was. >> right the e-mail was but what it said about the process was absolutely correct. they took out the al qaeda retch runs and to the -- references and they did not want congress to be concerned about it and then you had susan rice going out there talking about the you tube videos on what the secretary of state did as well and the videoing after fur is in -- individual -- video graph was in jail -- >> did you see the video? >> yes, but everybody knew from the beginning -- >> what we learned from the e- mail

ambassador to the united nations, susan rice.pparently seemed unsuitable because they seemed to encourage the reader to infer incorrectly that the cia had warned about a specific attack on our embassy. mike morell noted that these points were not good. and he had taken a heavy editing hand to them. so when you hear these, when you see these e-mails, when you see what was going on, does it satisfy you that all of this back-and-forth was sort of routine, done in good faith, or was there something sinister there? >> we're not accusing anyone of anything sinister. we certainly want to digest these pages, but recognize that these are selected pages. we need to have full access to the deliberative process of the e-mails. i think that's one of the areas we clearly want to have. remember, wolf, this is a situation in which the two men on the ground, the now deceased ambassador, ambassador stevens, who said to his deputy, gregg, we're under attack. greg hicks who testified he knew this was a terrorist attack from the get-go, certainly the

through his agent susan rice saying this is the responsibility of an antimuslim video which provokedontaneous reaction in benghazi. credibility matters and that is now starting to be reflected a little bit in the polls. a pugh poll out that says -- less than the normal number of people are paying attention to benghazi but of those that have been watching it, 37% say it proves the president about's honesty and 40% say it shows he is being dishonest with the people. this is more problematic than arrogance of power. >> chris: i want to go back to arrogance of power. congressman cu kucinich after a week like this won't more persons see government as the problem and not the solution? >> the first problem we have here is there is some that can only see the wrongs of the president. we still haven't had president bush for example account for iraq and all of theand all of dead soldiers. >> they had a bipartisan commission. >> we went to war. where were the weapons of mass destruction. >> stop depending obama by defending president bush. that gets really tiresome. >> you can't just attack pres