partner and allies are advanced in the context of both the g20 and the glos go climate summit. >> susan rice, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> joining us now is cnn chief political analyst gloria borger. and phil mattingly is in rome traveling with the president. you hear ambassador rice describing how the white house views this. does it feels like the democrats missed their moment here? >> absolutely. this was the second time president biden went to capitol hill to make the case for his package. he told democrats that it was an existential moment for his administration. he gave a speech about these two bills and then the democrats in the house said, you know what, we don't really trust those two folks in the senate to do what we really want them to do. so we're going to hold off on this. so, it was a real moment that was missed. this is not to say that they won't get it in the end. they probably will, as susan rice is saying. but the president made a big show of it and it flopped. >> phil, how big a setback is it for the president? both on this overseas trip, but just back here at

they probably will as susan rice is saying. the president made a big show of it and it flopped. >> how big a set back is it for the president? >> i think the interesting thing anderson is white house officials have been so weary of setting deadlines for the last several weeks. it was the president who told members of congress that he wanted this done before he took off for europe. specifically before he reached the glascow summit. white house officials followed suit and agreed with that. >> it's easy to lose track. they will try at some point sooner rather than later to get together on what they can agree on and there in this kind of routine. the progressives want to make sure that they don't get double crossed by the senate. they want to make sure that manchin and sinema will be with them. it's easy if senator manchin and senator sinema said we support the larger frame work as well as the infrastructure bill. i think you'd have a lot of these progressives on board. there's such a lack of trust, which is kind of astonishing act

and so thank you for being here, susan rice. you just heard our reporter ali vitali say that there are still trust issues that remain here. that you have a -- you now have text that has been released. i was starting to read through it before the show. but you do not have, that i can see, any assurances from manchin and sinema that they are going to go along with the original deal, that they are going to support the build back better plan. has the white house received any assurances whatsoever from manchin and cinema that if they -- that they are going to ultimately support the build back better plan? >> well, hi, joyce. great to be with you. thank you for having me on. >> sure. >> let me say this. i've been involved in these negotiations for the last many weeks, even months. and i've been in meetings with all concerned parties in the senate, in the house. and what we can say with confidence is that we believe this framework has the votes that can pass the senate and pass the house. we have not said that before. that is a functio

they do use susan rice as a character, the benghazi bag lady or maybe this is disney paying fauci backent up 100% during the fauci lockdowns. everyone stayed home and watched disney plus and they got all the beijing profits coming in, so maybe it is just payback. >> tucker: but what about the filmmakers? if you're interviewing the guy who helps create covid-19, lied about it, got caught, funded the frankenstein experiments, wouldn't you feel obligated to ask him about it? >> it's too late because now the media has anointed him. he is lord locked down, archenemy of donald trump, savior of everything scientific and holy. the media were early investors in the fauci narrative. they rode the fauci wave all the way to power in the white house. big tech and big pharma are in on this too appeared they can't pump and dump, there's too muchs uncancellable. >> tucker: they can't pump and dump like they cuomo. that is so perfect, i wish i had thought of it. jesse, thank you. we talked about the facebook with a blower last night. we pride ourselves on being pretty hard-nosed and skeptical. we may h

. >> something from susan rice, the key advisors as this is resolved possibly coming together, here ise said. >> it's transformational, historic, it's already garnered since being released today. support from every spectrum of our party, nobody is arguing about the substance. >> it seems like they are arguing about the substance or we would have a deal, where would we stand tonight? >> there isn't a deal right now, you have people like senator manchin of west virginia, senator sinema of arizona who objected to major parts of this plan. i think this fight is going to go on until christmas. we will have a difficult time getting to 2118 votes in the house and 51 in the senate. you look at these economic numbers, it's a bad picture right now. you have rising inflation at the same time you have low growth. there's a word for that, it's called stagflation, something we haven't heard about since jimmy carter was in the office, if i was the white house i would be nervous about this and incidentally given how bad inflation is now every time people go to the grocery store and people go to the ga

the cynical authoritarians like joe biden and the goals around him like susan rice, that just can't be. they assume the people you see on fox news must be pretending, pretending for money or prestige or ratings or something else. but they are wrong. we are not pretending at all. it's real. michael flynn was very briefly the national security advisor of the united states and then he was taken out. it's taken years to sort out what exactly happened. it turns out on elected officials within government destroyed him. mike flynn joins us to explain what happens. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: michael flynn was the national security advisor for a very brief time early in the trump administration and then he was taken out and charged with a crime. if you listen to media coverage, michael flynn was some kind of professional white ring conspiracy not and taken out because it was crazy but that's the opposite of the truth. if he was the number two man in all-american intelligence and then he ran his own intelligence agency, the defense intelligence agency, he knew a lot. and maybe for that reason, relics of

the cynical authoritarians like joe biden and the goals around him like susan rice, that just can't bey assume the people you see onth fox news must be pretending pretending for money or prestige or ratings or something else. but they are wrong. we are not pretending at all. it's real. michael flynn was very briefly the national security advisor of the united states and then he was taken out. it's taken years to sort out what exactly happened. it turns out on elected officials within government destroyed him. mike flynn joins us to explain what happens. ♪ ♪in explain what happens. ♪ ♪ and there you have it- woah. wireless on the most reliable network nationwide. wow. -big deal! ...we get unlimited for just 30 bucks. sweet, i get that too and mine has 5g included. that's cool, but ours save us serious clam-aroonies. relax people, my wireless is crushing it. that's because you all have xfinity mobile with your internet. it's wireless so good, it keeps one upping itself. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> tucker: michael flynn was the national security advisor for a very brief time early in the trump administrat

i have said for a long time, this administration is not being run by joe biden, susan rice and others that have an ideological agenda. let lisa monica over in the justice department. they are making a mockery of america. and as you point out, passports are supposed to have a security aspect. we just went through in the last 10 years, real id after 911, we had to get a system where we could and many of us by the objected to real idea because we thought there centralizing power in the government. now we have a government saying anything goes on passports, where a mockery in the world right now, and it can't happen fast enough that there are elections where we can change the direction of the country because we're putting our nation at risk through silliness . that is self indulgent and just out of touch with what's happening in the country . and i don't think that down plays the importance of actual quote. i think we can all agree that that is something we do need to be striving for our multiple levels within our is just the timing of the question of considering all of the other challeng

i would expect the same cadre of aides led by domestic policy advisor susan rice,

susan rice and lisa monica, a rolling out a gender strategy and hoping that we can have our passports with x is going to mail a hang on everybody knew this was going to be a bit rockers here. laura, it's your turn. go ahead and talk about the gender strategy for a minute. we see a she's passionate women on the sidelines. why? because of the lack of access to child care, even women do not read. so in the economy, the economy did not write biting, has a plan for that, and to speak to the fact that you're calling with one moment please. you're reading the i'm buying strategy, he's already gotten a bipartisan infrastructure. you'll pass the senate something all you all said that he couldn't do. and now he and nancy leslie are in the process of delivering, in partnership with conservative democrats, joe mansion and kristen cinema. and that's going to give them something to talk all through the midterms. i think what you're not hearing from my friends here in the weaknesses of the republican party when you call on republicans. they say they are the defenders of wealthy and obstructionists t

a question for both o of you, tt white house strategy led by ambassador susan rice was partnering withocieties to tackle the root causes of the supremacy including in the military but across society so what do you think are some ofs the key actions for the council to consider and similarly what is necessary for congress to do with this bill orgr the next to tackle this in the discussion? >> i will let you tackle that first. someme of the things we've alrey talked about, collecting information and making sure that it's shared broadly i know for example, congress' response to the january 6th insurrection similar to look at information sharing across the government or more broadly extremism and i do think now the strategy calls for greater resources not only the prevention of domestic terrorism but also the prosecution and to make sure all of the u.s. attorneys and all of our state attorneys general's are reading off the same sheet of music and coordinating their efforts. i know senator jonesus would knw much more about that than i do in the investigation but also, and i did mention this

this is a continuation this is obama 3.0 we knew it when it started yet susan rice running domestic policyr running international foreign aid you have john kerry in his number from the obama days in blinking running international and jen psaki in the biden press shop is now running biden's press shop, when you have the same brain trust, the outcomes will be the same and that's what we are seeing a tanking economy a loss of confidence in the world to the dangerous situation globally in the same measures like obamacare we now see vaccine mandates from biden you put the same thing in and you get the same thing out obama never left he's been there all along and if joe biden could have a sense of rhythm they would be at concerts with stevie wonder. lara: maybe we will see that next they're desperate to get anybody talking about anything other than the ensuing disasters at the white house. we are back to pete buttigieg tilting us how lucky we are to have the problems that we have because there's so much demand for all of these products i think back to the days of donald trump being president whe

i would expect the same cadre of aides led by domestic policy advisor susan rice, brian, the national economic director, steve, senior advisor to the president will be on capitol hill today meeting with whether it's joe manchin or kristen sinema, whoever they need to get to the table to iron out this deal. kind of get the sense from the white house that they are at least trying to portray this. it's still possibly in line to both put together a framework package and get the vote that they want on the infrastructure bill. as we saw last night, as much optimism she might have, it's not going to get this across the finish line based on the differences that exist within the caucus. host: the latest communication from the white house last night was the statement from the press secretary, jen psaki, part of which said, while gems democrats do have differences we share common goals of creating good union jobs, building a clean energy future, cutting taxes for working families and small businesses, helping to give those families breathing room on basic expenses and doing it without adding to

question for both of you is, the white house strategy past the policy counsel led by ambassador susan rice was leading this work in partnering with civil society to tackle the problems and root causes of white supremacy in america including the military but across society what are some key action for the domestic policy counsel to consider and similarly what is really necessary for congress to do with this bill or in general to tackle this problem in this session for. >> congressman i'll let you tackle that first. >> some of the things we've already talked about which is collecting information and make sure it is shared broadly , i know for example congresses response to the january 6 insurrection we tried to create an independent commission similar to the post 911 commission to look at information sharing across government. whether it's focused just on january 6 or more broadly, extremism, there's information sharing. also, i do think and what the strategy calls for is given greater resources not only the prevention but the prosecution and to make sure all of our u.s. attorneys, all of ou

that is the person, by the way, who actually runs the justice department and she's actually run by susan rice at the white house, who takes her direction from barack obama. just so you know how it actually works. senator josh hawley is the man you saw asking those questions, and we are happy to have him join us tonight. senator, thanks so much for coming on. this, if you take three steps back, appears to be a department of justice that is primarily concerned with ideological crimes and not actual violent crimes. >> you can imagine some things fbi agents could be doing like maybe going to the border where we have an unprecedented surge in crime, of illegal immigration, of drug smuggling but no, instead we are going to go after parents. can i just say, you know you've lost the argument when you're sending fbi agents to try to silence voting, taxpaying parents, trying to silence them. i can't think of an instance in american history where anything like this has happened before. it's another first for joe biden and it's a bad one. >> tucker: it is a bad one to take the federal police force and po

this was chuck schumer with white house staff, including susan rice, who is one of the top white house officials, she's also in the capitol trying to sort out some kind of agreement. this vote has waited for an hour. they're still scrambling to get a deal, nancy pelosi just is not ready to pto pull the plug yet. >> let's talk about nancy. people can say they like her, don't like her. it's pretty hard to find someone who knows the rules better that speaker pelosi. so from bernie sanders to jay a pagourtzis to manchin and many others, what are you hearing about the thinking behind this forced timetable by pelosi? >> she feels. this goes to a promise i made to t the believe if they could get some assurances that that larger bill could move forward, at least they can get that one victory tonight and get the second victory later on. the problem she's facing is something she can't really control. a lot of these progressives simply don't trust joe manchin. they say they don't trust pelosi. they kneeled all 50 states in the city. you're trauking to dekt can of, so even a framework, an outline

political opportunities that may joe biden president of the united states, people like joe biden and susan rice so on, are responsible for this. they lied about his condition so they can obtain more power. they are making us aware of who's really in charge. it's not joe biden. the point of last nights town hall was to make that undeniable. he doesn't have any comprehension of any of the problems this country is facing. asked about the fact that hundreds of thousand illegal immigrants are entering the country undefeated for example, joe biden started lying uncontrollably. first, he claimed he's been to the border and knows it well. but there is no record joe biden ever visited the southern border now this president, not as vice president, senator. not as a citizen today. fox news peter doocy as to joe biden about that. >> there's been reporting that he did drive through the border when he was on the campaign trail into 1,008 and he certainly is familiar with the fact and stuck with the fact that in el paso, the border goes right through the center of town. >> jesse: we looked into this, 2008 joe

political opportunist who may joe biden president of the united states, people like jill biden and susan riceon, are responsible for this. they lied for years about joe biden's condition so he can obtain more power. now that they have that power, they are making us aware of who really is in charge. it is not joe biden. the point of last night's town hall was to make that undeniable. he doesn't have any comprehension of any other problems this country is facing. as for the fact of the hundreds of millions of illegal immigrants for example, started lying uncontrollably. first, been to the border and those it well. there is no record joe biden has ever visited the southern border, not as senator, not as a citizen. fox's peter doocy asked joe biden about that. >> there has been reporting that he did drive to the border when he was on the campaign trail in 2008 and he certainly familiar with the facts and it still with him with the fact that in el paso, the border goes right through the center of town. >> we looked into this. 2008, joe biden flew into el paso and drove to new mexico for a politica

remember this is all barack obama was third term, that is way of susan rice there, every loser baracky don't want a thinking human being. they want kamala harris. they understand kamala harris is somebody who is -- worked very hard to gain her career in politics, she will not do anything to lose it, she will do what she was told when she is told, that is why when she takes over after bay carport joe out of the back eating or there's originals, it will be so much worse. spirit such a smart point and we to remind ourselves of that every day. this is obama's third term in these people were picked because they are compliant and hollow, that is totally and absently right, i think they are the jesse kelly, thank you so much for that insight and the werther's. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: so, as our infrastructure falls apart and d flickers, you are a lecture that make sacrifices, but the people who lecture you would never consider making those sacrifices. the push for green energy is the latest example of that. the very politicians telling you we need wind farms are keeping those out of their neighborhoo

i also spotted domestic policy advisor susan rice, she was appear alongside biden ally, she was appear as well. the original package that the president counted around three and after you dollars that figure nowhere near that, it's less than 2 trillion. the issue is under negotiation to raise taxes on billionaires and corporations also climate priorities in child tax credits. senator manchin shot down reports just a few days it ago he is considering switching parties, he's negotiated in good faith. kyrsten sinema from arizona continues her silence streak ignoring questions, repeated questions from the press. >> senator manchin has been a straight shooter, you know exactly where he stands, i disagree but i respected. mike concerned with senator sinema, why are the roles different for her, why doesn't she go on shows and explain herself into if she shifted her position, explain it. >> the president leaves thursday for rome he will have meetings there also at the vatican with pope francis over the weekend then to scotland for a climate summit, the president wants to bring something to worl

being inaugurated joe biden signed an executive order calling for a racial equity exercise and put susan rice in charming, formidable woman. and basically said, we are going to start paying attention to how we are spending -- the federal government spends so much money, right, just paying attention to this and then, you know, trying to disrupt a process of if we do nothing what tends to happen is affluent people are the squeaky wheel and they get more than their fair share in their regions, so being overt about that and then, you know, there's so many dimensions but the boys and angela davis talked about abolition is -- is as much about building up as it is about tearing down and that she need to repair democracy as you go, right? we should grow the multiracial coalition that -- that claims black lives matter and builds and keep, you know, sustain the coalition so you have people who will show up at zoning meetings to say i stand for affordable housing everywhere or who will fight for integrated schools, right? it's -- it's a multiprong thing. there's no silver bullet. >> yeah, so your discus

this was a meeting between chuck schumer's staff and white house staff, including susan rice. she also is on the house side of the capitol, trying to sort out an agreement. the house was supposed to back into session this hour. they've delayed it for the next hour. so they're still scrambling to get a deal. nancy pelosi is just not ready to pull the plug. >> let's talk about nancy. that was my second point here. people can say they like her, don't like her. it's hard to find somebody who knows the rules and knows how to use power and leverage within their party better than pelosi. so given how obvious the state of play is to bernie sanders, to j jayapal and mamnchin and many others, what are you hearing about the thinking behind this forced timetable by pelosi? >> she feels she has to do it because of the promise she made to the moderate democratic members. some of those moderate democrats may walk away from that larger bill, so they believe that they can get some assurances that that larger bill could move forward. that could be -- at least they can get this one victory tonig

susan rice meets domestic policy. ron klain is the chief of staff.se has the economic counsel. luis arturo heads economic affairs and steve ricchetti is the senior counselor. many of them were on the hill until midnight last night since september 1. there have been 300 calls and meetings with members and staff directors. they say we have been making the case and we have been involved but today, they say and jen psaki was asked about this, today was the day the president felt was the date to make the case directly to those members, reassure them we will get there, compromises will be reached. they have to be made. both sides need to give a little. he wants to reassure they are moving forward. judy: one of the clear things is it will not be $3.5 trillion social spending, reconciliation. it will be lower than that. what are you hring from the white house about what they are willing to live with? lisa: we are pressing trying to get a number from them that they are comfortable with. what would the president signed off on? the two names or than any other,

we saw susan rice and many others on capitol hill last night, meeting with senate leaders. they are all in on this. they don't want to get the president too involved. they don't want him to own a failure. the reality is he will own a failure. . >> he knows how to twist arms in the senate. but senator manchin is saying uncle. you have twisted my arm. the question now may be what about biden and the house with progressives where he has, you know, less institutional knowledge. >> absolutely less institutional knowledge. this has been bubbling and boiling since the primary campaign, frankly. and democrats have largely remained united usually in opposition to republicans. there are deep divisions. one thing that is giving some cause for optimism is the fear of failure. they do not want to fail and get absolutely nothing. they know what's coming next year likely. this is a tough midterm election year. i think there is still a path to getting an infrastructure deal done in a small reconciliation bill. i wouldn't bet the farm on it either. president biden is limited in the twisting

the white house officials leading the charge on this, susan rice, the domestic policy adviser joining one who when officials are saying now is the time to hop on the phone, they're ready on a short moment's notice to get the president on the phone. so as i talk about the fact that we maybe haven't seen the president hitting the road as often, one of the reasons is because he's been being available to be on the phone with these lawmakers as needed as well. >> although, there are phones on air force one. let's be real here. >> true. >> great to see you this morning, my friend. thanks for your coverage on this. >>> meanwhile, we're following breaking news out of afghanistan. at least 33 people dead and 73 wounded after an explosion in -- kandahar. it happened in the middle of afternoon prayers at a shia mosque. this is one week after a bombing claimed by isis-k that killed 40 people in northern afghanistan at a shia mosque. >> okay. a doctor and a florida man walk into a bar, but there's no punch line. the doctor ended up convincing that complete stranger to get the covid vaccine. we're

general and basically as we know, you have got ron klain and barack obama and valerie jarrett and susan ricelivan, they're calling all of the shots there in the white house. so you know, i think it's up for discussion as to whether this is revenge on his part or whether it is just he is such a weak leader, he just has, he is the figurehead but he is not running the department of justice. lisa monaco was there in the room today. maybe she has more of a hand than people had thought she had. edward: senator marsha blackburn, i appreciate this. this is a topic not going away from the great state of tennessee, thank you very much. >> thank you. edward: thank you. still to come this hour vaccine mandates could force people to leave their jobs to create a health care crisis to impact holiday travel but up next "the wall street journal" main street columnist, bill mcgurn if you will get your holiday gifts in time? goldman sachs estimates 24 billion of goods sit off the coast of california waiting to be unloaded. empty shelves and rising prices next. at t-mobile for business, unconventional thinking

she's working closely with the white house, brian dease and others and susan rice are over at her office talking you this this evening to try to come up with a deal. and they know that manchin, senator manchin felt burned earlier in the year. and our book shows this. about the rescue plan, mitch mcconnell and other republicans feel manchin may have been asked to do too much earlier in the year and maybe he's going to sit on the sidelines for a while. so democrats are dealing with that dynamic. but speaker pelosi is trying to balance reality of the vote with the concerns of her progressives. she's close to the progressives. she doesn't want to get too far from them. >> shannon, the lights were on in the west wing including the oval office until just a short time ago when the press corps was sent home. i guess there was a chance that the president was going to go down to the hill if his presence was scald for. no more of that, we're told he's returned to the residence. what's going to be said about how the white house has been playing this? >> yeah, well, my colleague kelly o'donnell, who

of senior staff up on capitol hill, many of them may still be there now, of the key negotiators, susan rice as well, were up there having conversations with members to move the ball forward. the president remains open to going up to the hill. we haven't made a decision to do that. we are making decisions hour by hour and what would be most construckive to move things forward. reporter: allies seem to be coming around to the tie eye dedon't -- environmentalists circled. because they believe that the bill -- the bill could be weakened to an unacceptable degree. what one-b young people who feel this has been watered-down so much and should the president have been more engaging in debate with senator manchin and senator sinema. jen: the reconciliation ak package protesting or the infrastructure bill or all of it? reporter: rick sillation. jen: what i would say first the president admires the activism, energy of young people or out there on advocating on what they believe n the changes he agrees should be made to how society functions, to long overdue investments in our climate. i think what we

what if i told you that hillary clinton's national security adviser susan rice when she was national security adviser was secretly meeting with the russian or talking to the russian ambassador trying to undermine sanctions on russia over interfering in our election and then lied about it? would you call that collusion? and he looks at me and he says, you know, i probably would. i was like, eureka. now if i could just talk to come i don't know, sometimes that's what it takes. it takes conversations that are very difficult right now between neighbor to neighbor, sometimes within her own families. there are things we're looking at that might help. i think the way that social media has divided us and amplified for fear and anger and loathing and division should mean that we ought to change that and unity that they have. but among the most difficult things is it venerates the first amendment. there's a wide birth of allies d that's a really difficult problem when those lies travel by rally. >> host: yeah. since this is booktv we should probably talk a little bit about writing and the craf

susan rice, by the way just tweeting profoundly saddened by the passing of general colin powell, a pioneeringional security leader and a trusted friend and mentor. i will miss him deeply and cherish his many kindnesses. my prayers are with alma powell and the entire powell family. nicolle wallace, you served in the george w. bush white house with colin powell. that was complicated because after the push to iraq, which he opposed, he fell out with both cheney and rumsfeld and ultimately, you know, had his disagreements that caused him to leave the administration and be replaced by condoleezza rice at the state department. what was he like as a person and colleague? >> he was sort of this iconic figure within and among us, and he -- you know, the press people were never really welcome in the oval office, but we were always in the oval office because there were often press crises, and if he were the person, you know, ahead of us, or he were the person on his way out, he was larger than life. i was reading a reuters obituary, describes him as getting out maneuvered by cheney and rumsfeld, and i t

what if i told you that hillary clinton's national security adviser susan rice when she was national security adviser was secretly meeting with the russian or talking to the russian ambassador trying to undermine sanctions on russia over interfering in our election and then lied about it? would you call that collusion? and he looks at me and he says, you know, i probably would. i was like, eureka. now if i could just talk to come i don't know, sometimes that's what it takes. it takes conversations that are very difficult right now between neighbor to neighbor, sometimes within her own families. there are things we're looking at that might help. i think the way that social media has divided us and amplified for fear and anger and loathing and division should mean that we ought to change that and unity that they have. but among the most difficult things is it venerates the first amendment. there's a wide birth of allies d that's a really difficult problem when those lies travel by rally. >> host: yeah. since this is booktv we should probably talk a little bit about writing and the craf

what if i told you that hillary clinton's national security advisor, susan rice was secretly meeting with the russian are talking with the russian ambassador trying to undermine the sanctions over russia for interfering in the election. and then lied about it. would you call that collusion? he looks at me and says you know, i probably would. i was like waurika. now if i could just talk to 100 million more people. but sometimes that's what it takes. it takes conversations that are very difficult right now between a neighbor to neighbor, sometimes within our own families. there are things we are looking at that might help. i think the way social media has divided us and amplified for fear, anger, clothing and division should mean we have to change that immunity that they have. but you know, among the most difficult things is the country with the first amendment. there's a wide berth of lies. that is a really difficult problem when those lies travel. >> synthesis book tv we probably should talk a little bit about writing and the craft of writing this book. why don't you tell us the titl

susan rice leads the domestic policy council, ron klain, d.c. rochettey a senior counselor to the president. since september 1, over 300 calls with meetings with members and staff directors. they say we have been making the case and been involved. today press secretary jen psaki was asked, today was the day president biden was manging the cased to the members, we will get there, compromises, they will be reached, both sides have to give a little but reassuring they're moving forward, he is committed. >> woodruff: it's not going to be a $23.5 trillion social spending bill, whatever the name of it is, reconciliation, it's going to be a number lower than that. what are you hearing from the white house about what they are willing to live with. >> reporter: of course, with eare pressing again and again trying to get a number with them. what are you comfortable with? what do you think the president signs offer on, the two names we hear more than any other senators sinema and manchin. they want to ensure progressives the big agenda is going to move for

i think picking up where jake left off, the fact that the white house officials like susan rice and brian deese were up on capitol hill late into the night was a sign of progress as white house press secretary jen psaki put it last night, that we are making a great deal of progress. but as she put in that statement, we're not there yet. and we understand that work is underway. i think it's significant, not just that that meeting happened last night with senator manchin, but senator sinema was in there as well. they feel like they're on a pathway. and the other issue here is, i think it's good from the white house's perspective that this is now separated from what we were talking about yet. the possibility of a government shutdown. a real deadline in this process. now, they are stepping back from what has been a self-imposed deadline on the part of moderates in the house of getting a deal done this week. maybe we'll see that vote today, as nancy pelosi is opening the door to, but this is a process that could still play into next week. and the white house officials aren't downplaying that.