susan: next is bush 41 administration where you worked under secretary sullivan.et's show you a clip and we will talk about it. [video clip] mrs. james: someone was debating this issue with me the other day and they said, well, what about lowfact that there may be unemployment and a portion of the state? the circumstances are that there are no jobs there. i said, what are you telling me? i think the state should support them. i said, can we just end this conversation here by saying i am a capitalist and you are a socialist? what you are saying to me is -- remind you, we are only talking about able-bodied people. if you're able-bodied and in sound mining cannot find a job in three years, you still want me to take care of you. i don't think so. [end of video clip] mrs. james: can we just talk about the glasses and the hair? susan: that's the downside of all the years. i can promise. from my experience. this is after you worked for the government of virginia as secretary of health and human resources. i was interested in that clip for a couple of reasons. right now w