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it >> well, when susanne craig a surprise, we should all be surprised.nk you so much for joining me -- >> congratulations, by the way, on the new show. it's been great. last night was just fabulous. >> thank you so much, that means a lot. >> susanne craig, investigative reporter for the new york times. thank you again for your time, energies and reporting. still here to come tonight, as the biden administration celebrates a big win with the inflation reduction act becoming law, transportation secretary pete buttigieg joins us live to talk about the biggest investment this country has ever made in fighting climate change and how he is going to sell it to the gop. okay, mayor pete! one prilosec otc in the morning blocks excess acid production for a full 24 hours. unlike pepcid, which stops working after 9. 24 hour protection. prilosec otc one pill, 24 hours, zero heartburn. i'm jonathan lawson here to tell you about life insurance prilosec otc through the colonial penn program. if you're age 50 to 85, and looking to buy life insurance on a fixed budget, re

so most extensive and detailed reporting on trump's business and his finances is susanne craig, she iseam of "the new york times" reports who won a pulitzer prize for president trump's finances and exploded the myth that donald trump was a self made billionaire and revealed that trump's organization was built on a foundation of squandered inheritance and tax dodging. she is exactly the person i want to talk to, today. susanne craig, thank you for joining me. >> thank you. >> let's first start with the sort of thing everybody is trying to post today, is how meaningful is the difference between testifying against the trump organization and testifying against trump. it seems to be meaningful enough because the whole thing in allen weisselberg's deal. >> it is pretty meaningful. the thing is how you can do that and not testify against trump. donald trump i've covered him for a number of years, his finances and up until the time with lawyers, he is still signing every check. he is still intertwined, and testifying against the trump organization, how can it not be testifying against donald t

joining me right now is susanne craig, investigative reporter with the "new york times." s that weisselberg is expected to be pleading guilty to. >> it's income tax evasion. and it's a scheme that spans 10 to 15, 20 years. and he's alleged to have not paid taxes what comes to $1.7 million. and this is very much, it's is not completely on corporate perks, but a lot of it is. he and his wife had a leased mercedes. there's two of them, whose taxes were apparently alleged to be not paid on. there's school tuition that was personally paid for by donald trump for his grandchildren. it goes everything down to flat screen tvs for iz home in florida, that were sort of put on the corporate ledger. and in addition, he's charged with saying that he didn't live in new york when he was living in new york for people outside of new york, that might not mean much, but in new york city, there's a higher tax rate, almost 4% that he would have had to have paid. it's a lot of things over a lot of years. >> and ever since report broke that wildsberg was under indictment, people have been asking

joining us as my old friend susanne craig investigative reporter, for the new york times, she was one of the lead reporters on the times pulitzer prize investigation, into donald trump's finances. susanne, good to see this evening, thank you for being with us. >> good to see you. >> clearly, there was some calculated on the part of donald trump today that plead the fifth. why would it make sense for him to do that in this particular trial? with most devices businesses, it's not a criminal trial. >> well definitely was a lot of thought went into it from trump and his legal teams, and i think the reason why is that you got this civil case, if that goes to trial, it can be used against him in that form. and there's a lot of people have talked about that today as people have been mulling over this case, but you have to look that he's got this criminal case going on in new york. they are looking at him individually, and right now that doesn't seem to be like it's percolating that if he didn't take the fifth and he says something, in a deposition, it could be used against him and that form.

joining me now, susanne craig, an investigative reporter for the new york times, who has covered trump'se, first off, are you surprised that after years the committee actually won their case? >> i have to say, patience, that took a long time. and i just think, this story didn't get a lot of attention this week. but it's really important. because it goes back to the 2015, 2016, when donald trump said he was going to release his taxes. it goes to why that is so important. it is because we need to understand the politicians and the presidents finances, the people running this country. what did their finances involved and whatever the pressure points? and who may be able to influence them? and this is where it all started. he said he wasn't going to -- he was going to release his taxes and then he never did. and what this leads to, which is just so important for public policy, is, they are going to look at changes that should be made -- there going to look at his tax and his tax information. but public policy changes that could be made to improve the system and improve disclosure. and i just

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susanne craig, pulitzer prize investigative reporter for "the new york times." >>> a further breakdown of what this all means for trump legal limitns let's turn to joyce van, former united states attorney for the districts of alabama and you heard the conversation with susanne why donald trump would invokesa the fifth amendment in this trial which is about his bid and something that we were hinding at and there's a lot that donald trump could say because he is a big talker that could be held against him and he may be worried about other cases in addition to this particular one in which he was deposed. >> we're looking at it from the perspective of trump's lawyers. this is the sort of client that you do not want to give free range to in a deposition. you want to do everything that you can do to constrain his testimony. so the statement that was issued today that you referenced at the top of the show, very lawyerly, it is set forth in language that is unlike that used by the former president. this notion that he can't talk because no matter what he says, the attorney general would find a

. >> suzanne, thank you so much, we appreciate the depth of your reporting and your susanne craig -- pots -- for the new york times. now to for the right down with all this mean for trump, legally, let's turn to joyce vance. former united's attorney for the northern district of alabama, co-host of the sisters in law podcast. joyce it was good to see you. thank you for being with, us you heard my competition with suzanne about why donald trump would invoke the fifth amendment in this trial which is largely about his business. but there is something that suzanne was hinting at and that there is a lot donald trump can say because he's a big talker that could be held against him. and he may be worry about other cases in addition to this particular one which he was deposed. >> while looking at it from the perspective of trump's lawyers, this is the sort of client that you do not want to give free range to in a deposition. you want to do everything that you can do to constrain his testimony. so the statement that was issued today that you reference at the top of the show, it's very loyally

susanne craig, the new york times reporter who has led the reporting on down from finances, is here int. and, he is a member of the biden cabinet, dispatched to take the presidents case to republicans and fox news. transportation secretary pete buttigieg joins us live.

joining us now, "new york times" investigative reporter, susanne craig, who won a pulitzer prize in 2019her team at "the new york times" on the trump finances. suzanne, thanks for being with us. so former president trump, he fought the attorney general's office for months and months, trying to avoid testimony. suzanne, standby with us for just a moment. we're getting the sentencing, i believe, with brittney griner. >> yeah, absolutely. busy morning. >> we're waiting to get -- we're now reporting that brittney griner has been sentenced to nine years. that is close to the maximum that had been recommended. teri jackson is still with us. nine years in a russian prison, teri. your reaction? >> well, now we have the sentence. we have the verdict, now we have the sentence. my members and i have been preparing for this, has best we could, preparing for the worst. nine years seems so out of balance, but where we are right now is to continue moving forward to work with this administration, support this administration, to get b.g. home. >> and teri, we understand this could be appealed in ten days

joining us now, susanne craig, "new york times" investigative reporter, and tim o'brien, senior executivewelcome to you both. suzanne, what could don junior and ivanka offer investigators about their father's business practices? what's so juicy that they could share? >> well, it is interesting, at the top, you noted that they did not take the fifth, and that does differ from eric and from allen weisselberg, the former cfo of the company. you know, with their -- the two children are potentially, and this may have factored into why they didn't take the fifth, because they may not be as involved in some of the minutia of this case that we think, but they're involved in the day-to-day operations, and they would have been in touch, potentially -- this is a case that looks at appraisals and the appraisal of real estate and whether or not laws were broken. you know, did they give advice to banks or documentation to banks that was potentially false? what were their communications with the main appraiser that's on the case? there's a lot of stuff there that they could have provided that the attorn