it is not susie ormond but somewhere in between. tavis: i want people to purchase your book, but take a couple of them and draw the parallels from your cure to "the wealth cure," the parallel you made and make the linching for me. >> there was -- the link for me. >> when we see the occupy wall street movement and big banks and debt, we look at personal debt and all these things being pointed at government debt. one of the numbers i came across when i was doing research for the book, back in 19 0 we were carrying $365 billion in personal debt. it has skyrocketed by 2008 to $2.6 trillion. as much as we want to talk about governmental debt, it's the government reflecting our behavior and it is the overvaluation of money, the idea that many of us has assigned money as a result rather than a tool to be used to create the life you want. that's where health comes in. health is the exact same thing. health is the foundational tool to help us live the life. if you do certain things and do it correctly and provide the resources it needs to op