. >> joining me now is the host of that interview, emily susman, jonathan kaypart, ej dejohn, and jennif for being here. let me go to you emily on this first. i want to play one more little clip of it. this is talking about whether or not -- whether or not bernie sanders could unify the party now, because that clip we played before was about whether or not he did enough to try to unify the party in 2016. here's another clip. >> senator sanders has a very dedicated base of support. whether he's the nominee, whether he's not the nominee he has a big hand, a lot of influence. so what do you think he can do whether he's the nominee or not nominee to unify people against trump? >> he can do it, for one. that's not our experience from 2016. and that was the point i was making. >> emily, it feels like 2016 really is the never ending story. it's the nightmare we can't wake up from, you wake up and it's ground hog day over and over again. why did you get the sense hillary clinton was willing to be this open and blunt knowing the stakes now in needing to unify the party? what did you get the sense