b, i about the political nature of sussman work. now while the special counsel and the f b, i are your on board with assessments, indictment. you do have his lawyers that deny any wrong doing. take a listen. mr. susan has committed no crime. any prosecution here would be baseless, unprecedented, and an unwarranted deviation from the a political and principled way in which the department of justice is supposed to do its work. very confident that if mister susan is charged, he will prevail at trial and vindicate his good name. now a very interesting note here you did have the now president joe biden justice department, they actually allowed this indictment to go through. it was sussman lawyers that actually tried to stop it through attorney general mirror, a garland he ended up pushing it through again. but let's go back to 2016 to kind of give you some context here. now, according to the indictment, sussman was advising mcclinton campaign back in 2016 all on cybersecurity matters, and that was the partner at its firm, actually served

now sussman still denies ever working for the clinton campaign, but sussman does work on cybersecurity and on privacy issues at a perkins coy it's a law firm, political group on that represented actually clinton's presidential campaign and as long had given a general counsel advice to the democratic national committee now at the september 2016 meeting, susman passed along analysis from cybersecurity. experts who reported that internet data raised the possibility of secret communications between the trump campaign and the russians largest commercial financial institution alpha bank, which then that was pushed by the hillary clinton campaign, all across the mainstream media. and it was a big topic of the 2016 presidential campaign, the entire term presidency throughout the entire trump presidency. trump denied vehemently deny these allegations as well as russia. now one of the big questions is why is this all happening now? the reason why is the statute of limitations expires on sussman meeting with the f b, i general counsel and it's unclear whether durham's prob will continue to be fun

sussman will fight this prosecution. case represents the second prosecution related to the durham inquest which began all the way back in may of 2019. the fallout from the russia probe and in particular the fbi's handling of that investigation, a probe that failed to prove ties between the former president and russia but led to the convictions of a half dozen senior trumpet advisors, two eventual pardons, and one drop charge. while time passed may have dulled the reaction to today's indictment in some corners, for others emotions remain raw even as the search for justice continues. >> i don't believe that the fbi officials were duped by an outside lawyer working with hillary clinton who lied about his client. they knew it was made out. they continue the investigation because it would help hillary clinton. >> former federal prosecutor mr. sussman will make possibly his first court appearance as soon as friday. we'll be watching for that. as the durham probe continues, it is likely to continue to build toward a detailed re

i about the political nature of sussman work. now, while the special council on the f b i r r a board with assessments, indictment, you do have his lawyers that deny any wrong doing. mr. susan has committed no crime that the prosecution here would be baseless, unprecedented, and an unwarranted deviation from the a political and principled way in which the department of justice is supposed to do its work. very confident that if mister susan is charged, he will prevail at trial and vindicate his good name. now, a very interesting note here you did have the now president joe biden justice department. they actually allowed this indictment to go through. it was sussman lawyers that actually tried to stop it through attorney general mirror, garland. he ended up pushing it through again. now at the september 2016 meeting, sussman passed along analysis from cybersecurity experts who reported that internet data raise the possibility of speaker communications between the trump campaign and the rushes largest commercial financial institutio

elizabeth: democratic lawyer michael sussman pled not guilty lying to fbi.got to sit down with general counsel james baker to begin with. he is friends with james baker reportedly. he told congressional investigators that he didn't know who sussman was representing, working with the dnc or clinton. how do you not know? he is your friend? jim jordan found that unbelievable. >> no, it's a little bit different than that of the notes that were taken by priestap indicated baker clearly now that sussman represented both the dnc and the clinton campaign and i believe that's why i asked him, all of sudden he has got sussman in his office and he says basically, essentially, look i know you, your firm represents the clinton campaign and -- elizabeth: wait, hang on. >> so what are you hear for, right? so what are you hear for today? elizabeth: baker testified he couldn't remember. baker testified he couldn't remember if he knew sussman's connections to the dnc and hillary clinton campaign. he testified to that. but the doj attorney general warning fbi, stay away from s

i about the political nature of sussman work. now while the special council and the f b, i are your on board with assessments, indictment. you do have his lawyers that deny any wrong doing. take a listen. mr. susan has committed no crime that the prosecution here would be baseless, unprecedented, and an unwarranted deviation from the a political and principled way in which the department of justice is supposed to do its work. very confident that if mister susan is charged, he will prevail at trial and vindicate his good name. now, a very interesting note here you did have the now president joe biden justice department. they actually allowed this indictment to go through. it was sussman lawyers actually tried to stop it through attorney general mirror, garland. he ended up pushing it through again. now at the september 2016 meeting, sussman passed along analysis from cybersecurity. experts who reported that internet data raised the possibility of speaker communications between the trump campaign and the russians largest commercial

sussman and this man on your screen, kevin clinesmith. need pleaded guilty falsifying a document used to apply for the am dyings to surveil trump campaign aide carter page. while clinesmith pleaded guilty, no indication sussman will do the same and plans to fight this through trial. elizabeth: david spunt, thank you. sean duffy, fox news contributor, former wisconsin congressman. what do you think? this investigations of durham probe is proceeding what do you think? >> first off the road map i see the deep state colluding with big tech for the democrat party. you know big tech, you have democrats and you have the fbi, all working together to make the fake russia collusion narrative become a reality for them. here is this other report, if i could make one point. it is interesting, a well-known fact that sussman is a lawyer for hillary clinton, he is a lawyer for the dnc. he is a democrat. he goes to the fbi james baker, oh i have this interesting information that donald trump may be in contact through these computers with the alfa bank in

a grand jury has indicted michael sussman accusing him of not telling the fbi he was actually working for hillary's campaign and why is that important? because he provided a tip to the fbi claiming a possible connection between the trump organization and a russian bank who is part of what he was saying he should look at. of course, no evidence of that was ever found. fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett says all roads seem to lead back to clinton. >> it was one of the many lies that was conjured up by the dirty tricks department of the hillary clinton campaign at the helm of that of course was hillary clinton herself, sussman them defendant in this indictment and has been caught allegedly lying about his life. >> harris: lying to the fbi is a crime. griff jenkins is live in washington for us. >> yes, it is indeed and michael sussman is in the district court we just saw on that video of him walking in the mud facing one count detailed in these 27 pages, portrayed himself as a good citizen but was in reality a cybersecurity attorney working on for half of the dnc lying about what turned

sussman is a lawyer at the firm perkins co. it's the same firm that hillary used to pay for the fake dossier. the dossier was give to the fbi, they used it to get a warrant to spy on trump. back to dish mam's indictment. -- back to durham's indictment. sussman, his firm, the clinton campaign leaked this bogus collusion material to the media claiming the trump organization had a secret server back channeling the putin's favorite bank. >> an electronic communication between a server associated with the trump campaign and russia's bank. why. jesse: this was just a distraction from hillary's own crime. sussman was billing the clinton campaign for all this dirty work. so the cyber guys working with crooked lawyer knew the material didn't tie trump to russia. they admitted over email it was a red herring. it was spruced. but they fed the material to the fbi anyway. the fbi opened one of several investigations into trump because of this crap and triggered a swirl of suspicion and investigation around trump that led to the mueller inve

they knew that sussman was doing this sort of stuff.them for everything he did. elizabeth: right. >> so of course investigators should try to find out what they knew. elizabeth: potentially used public campaign donations to cook up this false evidence, that donald trump is bought and paid for by russia. they paid for the anti-trump steele dossier. the democrats did. they paid lawyer michael sussman who did data mining with the university that got federal reserve grants to cook up the trump russia links with the russian bank. the fbi said this was about trump hotel marketing emails. the alfa bank allegation fell apart even before sussman delivered it to the fbi and mueller didn't touch it. that is the other thing. but when you dig deep into the indictment, byron, university researchers themselves said this is bogus, they were told to make up the narrative to even if they didn't have proof. come up with a useful narrative, only thing they had to go on was anti-trump sentiment to go after trump. that is what the indictment says. your word?

sussman. james baker the former fbi lawyer is said to have told investigators that he recalled sussman telling him that he was not meeting him to convey this information on behalf of any client but in a deposition before congress in 2017 sussman testified that he did seek that fbi meeting on behalf of a client, an unnamed client who was a cybersecurity expert who had helped analyze the data. so like i said, this is a weird development in the story that has been weird from the beginning. according to what "the new york times" is reporting tonight, what john durham, this trump-appointed, right, bill barr-appointed special counsel, what he is preparing to do is charge this cybersecurity lawyer, michael sussman, with having told someone at the fbi that he was not representing a client when in fact he was representing a client. he conveyed this information, this suspicion information to the fbi. hey, this has national security concerns. hey, this is about to be in the press. the fbi ought to look i

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the case against sussman, jason, and that was who was represented.nd they were secretly working for the clinton campaign, and sussman has denied this allegation. dig into that for us. >> that was ten plus million dollars that was flowing into, and marc elias was the ringleader. i'm just telling you if you look at this, he was the one who has now separated himself and formed a new group outside of perkins coie. but within perkins coie, they had a large group that worked on his campaign events. if you want to, and separate that from this, if you want to launder money, if you want to actually hide how you are spending campaign dollars and you throw it to the attorney, then the attorney can go spend it, and the question is why are there literally millions of dollars flowing overseas that then ended up in pockets of people that were perpetuating these lies about donald trump. it's a very difficult thing but it is the money trail that you have to follow and the potential allegation here is that michael sussman wasn't working with perkins cooley and was mak

document and what were finding a lawyer in the durham probe was funded by the hillary campaign michael sussman pleaded not guilty to charges he lied to the fbi in his planting at the fbi a debunked story in order to attack trump that the media tried to push on you even after it was debunked. it was a bad day for the white house the drone strike in afghanistan killed ten civilians in seven children, not isis the administration had repeatedly denied and another blow to the white house they say no to pfizer booster shots for those under age 55, the white house had wanted to start boosters next week and the president campaigned that it would knock in front of the science now republicans say he did try to do that before the data came in he pressured the fda for a political win, americans still desperately tried to get out of afghanistan we will bring you one man's harrowing story and the latest on general milley and a wild shootout in upscale restaurant a crime wave, exposing the dangerous lie of the democrat defined the police push. look at this atop democrat carrying the call as he went off, he's

perkins coie who represented the clinton campaign and accused sussman of lying to the fbi in a 2016 which he presented -- sussman presented some information that appeared to show some computer traffic between donald trump's organization, the trump organization and alpha bank, a russian bank. according to durham this was done on behalf of the clinton campaign even though sussman allegedly did not represent himself as representing the clinton campaign. this is an investigation that's still ongoing. it appears to show that durham wants to bring a broader case, perhaps even adding charges to sussman or perhaps charging additional people. one of them, you know, we know that sussman was also representing was a tech executive by the name of ronald joffie who was one of the people working on this research that showed this -- this traffic between trump organization and the alpha bank. >> but let's just cut to the chase here because at this point, after more than two years, durham has produced two indictments, both for making false statements. >> right. >> it seems like he's not delivering th

sussman's got problems. elizabeth: we hear you, congressman. let's turn to this media, including msnbc ran with this story as fact. rachel maddow even attacked other media for not reporting on it, watch. >> the title of the piece is, was there a connection between a russian bank and the trillion campaign, 7,000 world exploration of the alfa bank server mystery, alfa bank's computer communications with the trump campaign during the trump campaign. the ah-ha moment was some of the stuff about the "new york times" and what they chose not to publish during the election. you explained what this might have been. elizabeth, guy, this kind of connects the dots, might have been ah-ha, phony moments. basically undercut the trump presidency early on. we understand what the mueller probe found. there are multiple indictments but there was no trump-russia collusion. this alfa bank story was phony from the start. fbi knew it. mueller didn't touch it. >> liz i agree with the congressman this is not at all the end or even the middle of the story. what we're se

sussman's charge is five years.ive year mark which hit a few days ago september 19th. 2 1/2 years ago durham began his case and he has charged two people in the probe, sussman and kevin clinesmith, former f.b.i. attorney who pleaded guilty to falsifying a document used to apply for the application to surveil trump campaign aide carter page. while clinesmith pleaded guilty no case that sussman will do the same and plans to fight it. looking at the evidence and fight out what may be classified. a trial is many months away. the court is backed up because of covid. >> trace: david spunt live in d.c. thank you. >> dana: new numbers on how many migrants are left at the del rio camp. more than 3800 remain there even after dhs says more than 1500 have been expelled back to haiti. the crisis is spiraling out of control. white house struggling to give answers on the situation. >> has president biden ever been to the southern border? >> in his life? >> yes. >> i will have to look back in my history book. >> why doesn't he go t

there's no indication sussman wants to plead guilty. he plans to fight this. this subpoena is significant. it shows john durham is still hard at work on this case more than 2 1/2 years later. >> bret: we'll follow it. david, thank you. corey lewandowski is out of a job following an accusation that he touched a trump fund-raiser during a charity dinner. he will no longer be leading president trump's political action committee. up next, we will talk with the governor nominee that is giving a former democratic governor a tougher than expected fight for his old job. we'll also have brand new fox news polls on this bell weather race. first here's what some of our fox affiliates around the country are covering. fox 4 in dallas, four fire fighters and four civilians were taken to the hospital after a gas explosion at an apartment complex. it shattered windows and throwing debris into a nearby field. 300 people are out of their homes as fire fighters investigate that incident. khon in honolulu where a volcano erupts for the second time in a year. lava fountains cover

on behalf of sussman. that's the allegation.here the special counsel john durham may go with his investigation. sussman last friday is a cybersecurity attorney who durham said went to the f.b.i. on behalf of the clinton campaign to expose a tie between donald trump and the kremlin. john durham says sussman did not disclose the clinton campaign tie when providing information to the f.b.i. but billing that campaign. he is just one piece of the puzzle. hillary clinton knew sussman and denied any wrongdoing when it comes to concocting false stories about the president, former president and russia. on october 31, 2016, days before the election she tweeted computer scientists have uncovered a covert server linking the trump organization to a russian-based bank. mark he elias. fusion gps in turn hired christopher steele the former british spy and the author of the debunked steele dossier and used for the probe into the trump-russia investigation. no comment from mark elias at this time. et could submit something to attorney general mer

attorneys for sussman say the case is baseless and unprecedented. david, the decision to indict came down to the wire. the statute of limitations for any charges tied to these allegations runs out in just three days. >> pierre thomas tonight, pierre, thank you. >>> there are new developments this evening involving a prominent south carolina attorney, alex murdaugh, return rendering to authorities accused of allegedly planning his own murder as part of a insurance fraud scheme. here's abc's eva pilgrim now. >> reporter: tonight, a once prominent south carolina lawyer's stunning fall from grace. >> all, rise. >> reporter: alex murdaugh turning himself in to accused of insurance fraud earlier today to face charges for staging his own murder nearly two weeks ago. a plan police say he hatched in order for his son to get a $10 million life insurance payout. >> if anyone wants to see the face of what opioid addiction does, you're looking at it. this is a horrible, horrible disease. >> reporter: murdaugh's alleged accomplice, former client curtis edward smi

it's not just michael sussman anymore. what can you tell us? something come from sussman that gave them this? >> durham gets it big picture. you saw that indictment. durham knows this was the clinton campaign, hiring the perkins-cooey law firm, going and putting together false information and using -- giving that to the press and creating this whole narrative that turned out to be completely false as we all know. so, the other thing is, this was not just a false statement that sussman made to mr. durham and his investigative team, this was a false statement, this was the false statement made in 2016 that sussman made at the fbi, not just anybody, but the chief counsel jim baker. then he passes the information on to struck and paige doing the investigation. not the first time baker did that. he passed it on to struck and paige the people doing the investigation. and now he's looking to perkins-cooey even more, that's a good sign and i'm cautiously optimistic to get to the bottom of it and see who's responsible. >> brian: interesting, he never th

sussman. according to the special counsel john durham who we believe is wrapping up his investigation, this is something that was material enough that caused the fbi to dedicate resources to it, and that's why he's bringing these charges. we have a statement from sussman's lawyer who says -- lawyers who say that this is politics, not facts, that this is an investigation that durham was carrying out essentially, trying to pursue a conspiracy theory, anderson. >> so just to be clear, because this seems like kind of a blast from the past, this whole durham probe. we haven't heard much about it of late. >> right. >> just to remind people, this was set up under the former administration, and the former president had promoted this as though there was going to be some big, huge reveal before the election that would be a game changer. bill barr, the attorney general at the time, was involved in the investigation. this investigation has gone on now for a long time. i don't know if it is as long as the

it says that in the notes, internal notes from the fbi, and also the fact that sussman worked for thelinton campaign and the democrats was not a secret. this was something dhawas well known in the fbi. we got a statement from sussman's lawyers who says this is politics, not facts, and accuses john durham. advancing a conspiracy theory and as you pointed out this began with so much hype back in 2019 and certainly they were expecting an october surprise. the president was. and that really has not materialized at this point. he is only the second person that has been charged in this investigation. >> elie, listen, you know, this durham investigation was supposed to uncover earth-shattering revelations about the origins or as the former president said the oranges within the fbi probe. to prove that it was a hoax. a witch hunt. so what happened here? >> don, this has been a donald trump political revenge fantasy enkabld by bill barr from day one. almost 2 1/2 years, me of 2019, the mueller report came out. donald trump is thirsty for revenge now and he says i want to investigate the invest

jason chaffetz breaking down the latest indictment in the case of michael sussman part of the durhamarn what started the russia probe against president trump. durham may be planning to show just how far hillary clinton's campaign went to smear donald trump whether true or not. a new piece of fox legal analyst andy mccarthy untangles the web head lined dem plot to steal the white house. anatomy of a political dirty drik. -trick. he says he will show a scheme where hillary clinton's campaign peddled misinformation about trump and sussman lying to the f.b.i. the same law firm employed fusion gps that hired discredited dossier author christopher steele. he went to the media and f.b.i. with his unproven findings. the entire thing set off the mueller investigation and a host of congressional probes. taxpayers picking up multi-million dollar tabs in all of this and durham's work could be far from over. laura fink is the ceo and founder of rebel communications and democratic campaign consultant. jason meister is a former trump advisory board member. good to see you first. your first reaction

. >> this attorney's name is michael sussman. he is a well-known five -- cyber security attorney.ented a couple of hours ago by a federal grand jury as you mentioned the front lines to the fbi and essentially what happened, september 19th, 2015, almost five years ago to the day, mr. sussman met with the fbi general counsel to meet with him and allege that then-candidate donald trump had connections to russia. negative connections to russia. what mr. sussman did not disclose according to the special counsel john durham is that not only did he work for the dnc in 2016. he did some work for depth hillary clinton campaign. that is the crux of this story. he makes his first appearance before a federal judge tomorrow but this is the second indictment in the john durham special counsel investigation. back to you. >> thanks, david. and we will keep you updated on that story. intent to more follow-up for the biden administration. after saying he has total confidence on general mark milley. he remembered that new book where he called china to undermine trump? no one is denying that the call

>> reporter: the name of this lawyer is michael sussman.ign in 2016, as well as the democrats. but according to the indictment that john durham just filed today, he lied to the fbi when he held a meeting with the general council at the time, jim baker, which he turned over a thumb drive which contained information about some mysterious allegations, there were communications between a server belonging to the trump organization and a bank in russia called alpha bank. the fbi investigated it. they couldn't figure out what it was. ended up deciding that it wasn't any kind of nefarious matter. but all of this has now turned into a charge against sussman essentially for lying when he met with the fbi and presented this information. he at the time was working for the clinton campaign, and he apparently didn't say -- has said that he wasn't representing any particular client when he had this meeting in 2016. so look, john durham has been at this now, doing this investigation and we've been anticipating that his investigation would wrap up. and fran

sussman's lawyers are pushing back hard. they deny he was representing clinton, but say even if he was, the lie was not material. legal speak for it didn't matter. the fbi was going to investigate this anyway. in a statement to nbc news, they say the case is incredibly thin based on, quote, an oral statement allegedly made five years ago to a single witness unrecorded and unobserved by anybody else, and say the doj would ordinarily bring a baseless case. worth noting that sussman's lawyers urged the attorney general merrick garland to block the indictment, he declined to do so. also important to point out, this is only the second criminal case john durham brought in his investigation of the investigation, which lasted longer than the russia probe. donald trump and william barr promised durham would expose huge corruption but he hasn't done that. he brought two minor cases against lawyers very few people have heard of. meanwhile, a bipartisan thousand page senate report found that trump campaign repeated contacts with russian

todd: how worried should sussman be?hy sentence in prison. there is no parole in the federal system. if sentence to anything he will serve all of that time. i'm sure he is concerned about it but the reality is this is unusual. fbi investigators informing him of his rights, having an interview and later identifying him of having lied, it was all about who was his clients, an attorney does not have an obligation to reveal who his client was, he said he didn't have a client when he came forward with information. todd: else is having trouble sleeping tonight or this morning? >> i would like to think there are individuals higher up in the campaign that utilized the extensive powers we give to use fisa and others. i would hope hillary clinton and barack obama and those who knew on the inside of the story would be concerned. todd: listen to what pete hegseth had to say. >> the ones that were there in 2016 are in the white house right now. this is indicative of how washington dc works and you wonder why people don't trust jake s

the billing records for michael sussman has a road map of what happened too.dictment alleges also hillary clinton's team of researchers accessed data in the executive branch. we're talking, the executive branch covers treasury, state department, judiciary, in order to go after president trump in order to go after internet traffic connected with trump's businesses with russia's alfa bank. it turned out it was marketing email spam touting trump's hotels. michael sussman, the democrat lawyer, billed the clinton campaign for a meeting with the fbi's top lawyer. he said he wasn't representing any client. he was merely a citizen trying to plant inside the fbi hillary's false story based on confidential public records. he billed for talking to journalists. he tries to plant it. then they leak the false story. you see how circular this is, congressman? go ahead. >> sure. you bring up a couple good points. they are very narrow in some sense. this goes so much more broadly and the fact that the special council was able to get the billing records and emails which were cl

the steele dossier link to democratic lawyer michael sussman has now been indicted by a grand jury incial counsel probe, accused of making false statements to the fbi. fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett along with investigative reporter john solomon. greg, as you read the indictment, it was very revealing for a lot of reasons. i will let you explain it. >> it was one of the many lies that was conjured up by the dirty tricks department of the hillary clinton campaign. at the helm of that was hillary clinton herself. the defendant in this indictment is one of the minions that was spreading the lie at the behest of hillary clinton and now he's been caught allegedly lying about his lie. the person who should really be indicted as hillary clinton. one of the things i discovered as i poured through thousands of pages of documents as i was writing my book "witch hunt," i kept asking myself, who invented the light, the russia hoax? what was the genesis? i discovered it was hillary clinton! it was drawn from the insidious depths of her imagination. it was magnificently devious and classic hi

john durham claims sussman was not clear with the f.b.i.red that information. yesterday two senators, republicans rand paul and ron johnson pressed the f.b.i. director on the indictment especially the part where sussman came to the f.b.i. and said he had information about donald trump that turned out not to be true. listen here. >> you guys took it look, line and sinker and said we'll investigate a major presidential candidate. of course it's a huge problem. >> there needs to be political accountability. i hope john durham has a whole lot more. >> we've been working closely with special counsel durham. >> another non-response. >> michael sussman is the second indictment since the beginning looking at the origins of the russia probe. f.b.i. lawyer there clinesmith pleaded guilty a year ago to falsifying a document. to be fair it's standard practice the f.b.i. director chris wray would not discuss an ongoing open investigation. it is not unusual he wouldn't speak more directsly on the sussman indictment before members of congress. no question

facing a sunday deadline to charge sussman.rtedly linked to the team and russia and that took place in 2019. proof of vaccination for indoor bars and nightclubs. requiring either proof of vaccination or negative test for all outdoor events, concerts and professional sports. the rule for mega-events goes into effect october 7. several los angeles police department employees taking the department of court over requirements that they get vaccinated for covid-19. chief breaking news correspondent trace gallagher shows us this is one of several aggressive challenges by law enforcement pushing against vaccine mandates. >> in california, crime is going up in the number of police officers going down. the state is in jeopardy of losing more police to vaccine mandates. the city of los angeles will require vaccines for city employees. now six l.a.p.d. officers are suing to stop the mandate saying "the city does not and cannot point to any evidence that vaccinated individuals have longer-lasting or more complete immunity than those who hav

we have the indictment the other day of michael sussman.grand jury and pursuing evidence and more indictments are to come. elizabeth: we're getting story out of "new york times," clinton and her campaign hired cyber researchers now thought to be four computer scientists, maybe more, and they exploited and accessed internet data in the government's powerful executive branch. it may involve the pentagon's darpa agency, a computer research branch to make the case trump was colluding with russia with trump's businesses talking with alfa bank. fbi debunked it. mueller didn't touch it. potentially accessing darpa. we don't know. this is what durham would be pursuing. this would be classified government information in pursuit of an attack on trump, political operation in service of a political operation. what do you say to this? >> well there is a lot to unpack there. let me just say full disclosure, i represent a witness, key word witness, not a subject or target from this same setting. so i do have a little bit of knowledge of that but i won't t

sussman is charged, he will prevail at trial and to vindicate his good name.ack in february during his confirmation hearing attorney general merrick garland said he saw no reason to interfere with john durham and he plans to let him do his job. we will be following this and will be busy over the next few days. >> bill: he has had a lot of false starts. it's nice to see you, david. this is the real deal. >> dana: new images underscoring the severity of the border crisis. take a look at this drone footage. more than 4,000 migrants huddled under a bridge there and are waiting to be apprehended. meanwhile, agents found these two small children abandon along the rio grande and one of them is just three months old. joining me now is derek maltz, dea agent and christopher olivarez. let me start with you deputy, when you see thousands of people in the heat of summer, and you know the border patrol is already overwhelmed, there are these people going to go? >> it's not decreasing by any means, just this morning i heard the reports of close to 8,000 illegal immigrants u

sussman has pleaded not guilty.y fizzled in the larger russia investigation, which of course established that the trump campaign welcomed russia's meddling in the 2016 election. staff writer for the atlantic, david frum. his books include "t "trumpocalypse." this turned out to be a near-total bust, despite the right-wing media promising so much. >> durham was appointed in an act of vindictiveness by the trump administration, in an effort to punish those who had tried to tell the american people something important about their government. the case, the investigation proceeded all the way through in a very, very strange way. durham tried to get foreign nationals to talk to him and tried to use the diplomatic apparatus of the united states in ways that were irregular. and of course, we bump up against the core fact of all of this, which is, we -- there is obviously something improper in the trump/russia relationship. we know many details, but we still don't know why the why. and we are going to go into history with thi

michael sussman represented the dnc during the 2016 campaign.trump to russia. his attorneys say that he committed no crime. we're confident says that he will prevail at trial. let's bring in andy mccarthy, former federal prosecutor, a fox news contributor as well. andy, good to have you here. what do you make of this story, sir? >> i think it's against the context of a story the fbi was looking into about whether alpha bank, an important bank in russia, was a conduit of messages between the kremlin and the trump campaign. the fbi looked into that ultimately concluded that there was nothing to that allegation. but it's within that context that this lawyer, michael sussman that represented the dnc, went to see his old front, james baker, the general counsel for the fbi to press this theory on him about the potential that russia and the trump campaign were communicating through alpha bank. i think there's one interesting thing, martha, christopher steele, the source of the dossier, is being sued in england for libel by the head hoff the people that

sussman's attorney says his client has committed no crime. jillian: overnight our first look at the window of the world. on boardgloggle dragon rocket, the 4-person group last not just hours ago from kennedy space center. this mission is historic as it is the first time no astronauts are on board, they will spend 3 days orbiting the earth. this inspiration 4 mission aims to raise money for st. jude's children's research hospital. that is so cool. can you imagine? >> we had jared on the show a number of times we joke about you going, i truly believe we are closer to you going than not going, you're going. >> next time jared is on the show, let's ask him. >> full-court press, please bring a camera. 14 after the hour, shocking video showing the dire seen at the southern border. our next guest says there's another side of this crisis. diana harshmarker joins us with a warning from americans. jillian: we are talking to joe can'ta, congresswoman nancy mase, we are coming right back. .. and there you have it— -woah. wireless on the most reliable net

sussman is durham second indictment since beginning his look at the origins of the russia probe in mayleinsmith tweeted john sussman and his attorney met before a judge a few hours ago a routine status hearing and will be back before another judge in october a tria could be many months away. the court system is slow. back to you. >> where do you think this is all going with durham? >> he is taking this time. he is being meticulous. people cannot say that's not been the case. there have been people frustrated along the way, but like with any case you follow the facts where they take you and you have to build a case that you can take the prosecuto and say i can sustain this and court spirit. >> you have to wonder if this single piece of wall or is it attached to a bigger ball that will start to unravel part. >> he has his mandate and he is very comfortable using it. the micro situations could be getting worse. as they learn the biden administration is releasing haitian migrants into the u.s., we have an admission on that part some of those supposedly shipped to other texas border cities.

a jury now indicting sussman on this incident and he lied to the fbi. now back to this alec murdaugh bizarre case that seems to expand with more questions than it does answers. i want to go to ted williams, a former d.c. homicide detective. so much doesn't add up about the case even to the parent paying this individual to shoot and presumably kill murdaugh. it was one of the more botched assassination attempts because he easily survived. i don't know how close he was when he pulled the trigger. but didn't work out that way. this on top of the question still unresolved over his wife and son's death and the housekeepers death and other principals having connection to him some years back, legal cases more to the point. what do you make of it all? >> well, there's no doubt about it, this is a made for television movie. it's a very tragic movie that we're watching, neil, in real time here. before the mystery started with me last saturday when it was reported that alex murdaugh was alongside the road and a person he talked to had made a turn in the road and s

that is what sussman was indicted for. pushing the false narrative to the f.b.i. disclosing he was working for the clinton campaign and sullivan was an instrument in doing that. we'll see where durham leads to this. >> harris: a lie proved by the emails with sussman and with sullivan. it's interesting all coming back to the same thing. marc thiessen. thank you. as chaos reigns at the border vice president kamala harris hasn't been down there since june but she found time to be on the view. the search for brian laundrie continuing. the f.b.i. issued a warrant for his arrest but not gabby petito's death. here is nancy grace on "fox & friends." >> we know his defense attorney is parsing words saying it's about use of a debit card, not about her death? if it was his own debit card it wouldn't be a crime. of course it's her. is the lowest rate in newday's history. two and a quarter percent. just 2.48 apr. just one call, and you can save thousands every year. there's no money out of pocket and no up front fees. the newday two and a quarter refi. at these rates, you may