when we hear suvism, what does that mean?> i'll say a little bit about it first, then reoriented. >> sufism is a universal stream that is at the heart of every spiritual. it's the love for god and the expression of that love through service to god's creation. the thing, it's not a creed, it's not a set of beliefs, it's a living experience of the deepening and unfolding of love. love for god. and because of that, it's something which in every generation, in every culture is a living experience, so it has to be refreshed. generation after generation in every culture. >> i see. >> sufism is a con temp -- founded in 1952 by a spiritual figure from india, and it's carried by a lineage of spiritual teachers that he appointed to serve as spiritual guides for americans who in their point of life-- >> picture of him right there. >> mm-hmm. >> in the stage of life that we're in, feel the need for spiritual guidance for the living teacher. >> now, i understand you've been a part about 44 years, and terry about 37 years. >> mm-hmm. >> ho